Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows • Hacker News Board

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by Lammy » Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 10:50 PM UTC

mikestew wrote: post #203

partiallypro wrote: post #40

I actually really like Windows 10, a huge portion of this list could easily apply to any modern operating system that isn't Linux, and even there some of it applies. So OSX, Android, iOS, etc. The section "Now the second kind of issues is intrinsic to Windows 10 only" is full of things that are literally applicable to all the OSes I listed above. I had some laugh out loud moments reading it. Are people just blinded b…

Are people just blinded by rage against Microsoft? The first person quoted abbreviated Microsoft as “M$”, and AFAICT, within the past few years. We’ve seen that Penny Arcade cartoon from, what was it, ten years ago? That was a page-closer for me, I don’t think I was going to find useful commentary in there. And I loathe having to use Windows 10 at work. And I worked at MS a lot longer than the person quoted.

> what was it, ten years ago?

Double that and you’re closer ;)

https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/07/22

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by Silhouette » Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 10:53 PM UTC

m463 wrote: post #187

Silhouette wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And we don't have any other desktop OSes which are ready for prime time. People keep saying that, but how often is it really true these days? As a professional software developer, the tools available on UNIXy platforms are already much better in many cases than the Windows ports. For a typical home user who is mostly interested in things like email and social networking, and maybe needs to write up some notes or do a…

Think about putting a non-tech person on linux and that whole thing just grinds to a halt. There is a lot of fiddling.

What fiddling do you think is involved in running a typical Ubuntu desktop these days?

Hardware mostly just works. Plug in a USB stick or a camera or phone, see your files, like any other desktop.

You've got web browsers and basic office software and communications tools and all the rest.

The OS can automatically update for security issues, and that takes care of much of your installed software as well if you're just using the default option of getting things from your distribution. Almost anything to do with this is qualitatively better than modern Windows systems.

Sure, the look and feel is different and it takes a few minutes to find your way around, but then the look and feel is different moving from Windows to macOS, or even from Windows 7 to Windows 10, too.

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by Lammy » Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 10:54 PM UTC

viraptor wrote: post #181

_bxg1 wrote: post #54

I've come to accept that there is no good OS (maybe iOS, but not really). You're just picking your poison. Want to be spied on and have your system slowly accumulate cruft and grind to a halt over the course of a few years? Use Windows. Want to be constantly fiddling with your system just to keep it running on a day to day basis? Use Linux. Want to be constantly spied on and probably also hacked? Use Android. Want to…

> Want to be constantly spied on and probably also hacked? Use Android. Most of the spying is done by phone apps. This affects iOS and Android in the same way in recent versions. The extra bit that gets sent to Google directly seems like a small part of it.

It sounds like they were referring more to the difficulty of getting timely Android updates—or getting them at all—depending on device.

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by jimbobimbo » Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 10:58 PM UTC

pxeboot wrote: post #9

Very valid issues here. Although it has improved, Windows Update is still shockingly bad compared to any decent package manager used on Linux in the past 10+ years.

Recently I've upgraded 2 machines from 1903 to 1909 (aka the "semi-annual update"). Both times the process took less than 10 minutes.

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by jimbobimbo » Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 10:59 PM UTC

twobat wrote: post #33

nvarsj wrote: post #10

One positive point as the article points out is compatibility. This is the single reason Windows remains the staple of industry software, across almost all industries. It's particularly relevant in light of recent Mac OS X dropping 32-bit support. There are a lot of professionals whose livelihood depends on these older apps that either will never be updated or will take a very long time to do so.

This doesn't matter for 99% of the population.

TBH, the majority of the laundry list in the original article is irrelevant for 99% of the population.

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by CodeWriter23 » Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 11:04 PM UTC

request_id wrote: post #177

CodeWriter23 wrote: post #93

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Until you want the latest version of some package like PostgreSQL that isn’t in the yum/apt repos, and then some time after that you have to upgrade the base os to plug new security holes.

Run postgres in a container

Thanks for your input. So I recently looked at Vagrant and Docker and it seemed kind of like a deep dive and I couldn’t find any Clif notes. Do you have any suggestions? Thanks.

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by kyriakos » Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 11:08 PM UTC

itvision wrote: post #121

partiallypro wrote: post #40

I actually really like Windows 10, a huge portion of this list could easily apply to any modern operating system that isn't Linux, and even there some of it applies. So OSX, Android, iOS, etc. The section "Now the second kind of issues is intrinsic to Windows 10 only" is full of things that are literally applicable to all the OSes I listed above. I had some laugh out loud moments reading it. Are people just blinded b…

MacOS doesn't have 95% of the listed issues. And we don't have any other desktop OSes which are ready for prime time.

In my company on the other hand IT banned macos and we only run windows and Linux, because administration of those operating systems is far superior.

The fact is millions of businesses run on Windows and I would say most of the world economy relies on it.

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by timrichard » Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 11:11 PM UTC

pier25 wrote: post #201

itvision wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MacOS doesn't have 95% of the listed issues. And we don't have any other desktop OSes which are ready for prime time.

Stop it with the drama. There are millions of people (billions?) using Windows to do stuff every day. Just an example: do you know who Hans Zimmer is? You have most lilely heard his music in countless films. Yeah, he uses Windows.

I think he’s probably more invested in Cubase than Windows itself, which I’ve heard is the better of the two platforms to run it on.

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by brianpgordon » Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 11:15 PM UTC

ChrisSD wrote: post #153

brianpgordon wrote: post #84

I'm no Windows fanboy but there's a lot of misinformation here. In the spirit of bullying the reader with a big list of points, here are some examples of incorrect claims in TFA: 1. It's not hard to disable Cortana and internet-assisted start menu search completion. I assume that's what they mean by "keyboard scanning and voice recording" because I don't think there's anything else like that in the OS. It is possible…

I agree with much of what you say but I wanted to clarify one point. > 3. I like UAC. The article claims that giving users a dialog box to permit admin access is good for malware, but the alternative is taking admin away from users altogether on their own computers. I don't think this is an acceptable tradeoff. The UAC is about persuading legitimate developers to do the right thing. In that respect it has been succes…

I've always been skeptical of the Windows security model as a user but I didn't think it was that porous. Thanks for setting me straight. I found these articles explaining why it's so bad:

https://tyranidslair.blogspot.com/2017/05/reading-your-way-a...

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by kyriakos » Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 11:19 PM UTC

ninkendo wrote: post #197

drankula3 wrote: post #190

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> Why do you need Active Directory or LDAP? Primarily authentication, authorization, and accounting[0]. Setting up a new user account on every single computer that an employee may at some point sit at gets very expensive. Many businesses (if not immediately then eventually) have security concerns that require Administrators have the ability to immediately lock users out of the system or be able to audit recent activi…

> Primarily authentication, authorization, and accounting[0]. Setting up a new user account on every single computer that an employee may at some point sit at gets very expensive Why are people using more than one machine? > Many businesses (if not immediately then eventually) have security concerns that require Administrators have the ability to immediately lock users out of the system or be able to audit recent act…

> Why are people using more than one machine?

Ever been in a meeting room? Most companies have shared PCs for meeting rooms. Logging in gives you access to your documents so you can hold your meeting and take your notes back to your workstation.

I'm really surprised you worked in a large business and haven't experienced any of this or the need for standardisation. We use a bunch of systems that all work with AD, it's really a solved problem in a Windows based environment.