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Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by cpach »

Godel_unicode wrote: post #140
gnomewascool wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The relatively common (?) experience that: 1. Running `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade` is much, much faster than explicitly going to the windows update screen, checking for updates and then updating. 2. Linux OSs are usually stuck "updating" while shutting down and restarting, far less frequently and for a far shorter time (if at all), than Windows. Obviously the comparison isn't entirely fair (though in some wa…

Do you have any numbers for this? It doesn't match my experiences at all. Edit: it's been my experience that most people who think Windows sucks think this because they use it exclusively at work where their IT department has gone mad with power and turned off all the good stuff, and the network is slow.

Just for the record, I didn’t say that Windows suck :-)◊

◊ I mean of course it does since every OS sucks, but that’s a given.

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by brianpgordon »

itvision wrote: post #119
brianpgordon wrote: post #84

I'm no Windows fanboy but there's a lot of misinformation here. In the spirit of bullying the reader with a big list of points, here are some examples of incorrect claims in TFA: 1. It's not hard to disable Cortana and internet-assisted start menu search completion. I assume that's what they mean by "keyboard scanning and voice recording" because I don't think there's anything else like that in the OS. It is possible…

I'm not a fanboy of any OS in existence but 1. Most tech-illiterate people are afraid of using regedit and/or GPO to disable Cortana so the point is valid. 2. Disk fragmentation has become an even bigger issue since Windows 10 doesn't defragment SSD disks. 3. It's not an argument. 4. The article talks about laptops specifically and the issue is still there and it's huge even for Windows 10 which often installs Micros…

5. I police my startup items so that's correct, I've never had this issue. But yeah I know about Autoruns; that's an option too. Are you saying that since it's not built into Windows then it shouldn't count? I don't really agree. It's not like other popular OSes have such tools built in either. And Autoruns is even first-party since Sysinternals was acquired by Microsoft.

6. Yes it can. My current Windows 10 system has been installed since March. I disabled the store immediately and no update since then has restored Windows Store or any Store app. You can uninstall the Store (https://github.com/Disassembler0/Win10-Initial-Setup-Script/...) or just disable access/updates through group policy (https://i.imgur.com/ZRxbwNt.png).

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by brianpgordon »

Silhouette wrote: post #117
brianpgordon wrote: post #84

I'm no Windows fanboy but there's a lot of misinformation here. In the spirit of bullying the reader with a big list of points, here are some examples of incorrect claims in TFA: 1. It's not hard to disable Cortana and internet-assisted start menu search completion. I assume that's what they mean by "keyboard scanning and voice recording" because I don't think there's anything else like that in the OS. It is possible…

It is possible to disable telemetry. Please go on. Having no officially supported way to completely turn off phoning home if we want to is one of our deal-breakers.

Check out https://github.com/Disassembler0/Win10-Initial-Setup-Script/...

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by Silhouette »

kyriakos wrote: post #220
ninkendo wrote: post #197

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> Primarily authentication, authorization, and accounting[0]. Setting up a new user account on every single computer that an employee may at some point sit at gets very expensive Why are people using more than one machine? > Many businesses (if not immediately then eventually) have security concerns that require Administrators have the ability to immediately lock users out of the system or be able to audit recent act…

> Why are people using more than one machine? Ever been in a meeting room? Most companies have shared PCs for meeting rooms. Logging in gives you access to your documents so you can hold your meeting and take your notes back to your workstation. I'm really surprised you worked in a large business and haven't experienced any of this or the need for standardisation. We use a bunch of systems that all work with AD, it's…

Most companies have shared PCs for meeting rooms.

Are you sure that's not overgeneralising from your own experience? After all, most companies don't even have dedicated meeting rooms, because they aren't big enough. Of the ones that do, I have rarely seen a dedicated PC in there, and that spans the full range of businesses from five guys in a single office through 200+ person medium enterprises right up to some of the largest companies in the world. Most people just take their own laptops, IME. So while I don't doubt that you may have come across this often, it's not necessarily the way everyone else does it.

In any case, basic AAA for organisational user IDs is hardly rocket science, whether you're running on Windows or Linux.

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by cpach »

Arnavion wrote: post #164
cpach wrote: post #22

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Is there anyone who can explain why Windows Update is so much slower than running »apt upgrade« and similar?

Part of the reason is what I described in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20812142 and its child comment.

Interesting! Thank you for writing this up.

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by brianpgordon »

TwoNineFive wrote: post #138
brianpgordon wrote: post #84

I'm no Windows fanboy but there's a lot of misinformation here. In the spirit of bullying the reader with a big list of points, here are some examples of incorrect claims in TFA: 1. It's not hard to disable Cortana and internet-assisted start menu search completion. I assume that's what they mean by "keyboard scanning and voice recording" because I don't think there's anything else like that in the OS. It is possible…

> It's not hard to disable Cortana Wrong. For people who disabled Cortana, it kept re-enabling itself automatically after updates. I think that problem is mostly gone now, but it was definitely an issue all the way up till earlier this year. > Disk fragmentation hasn't been an issue The article has one tiny line-item about fragmentation and it was about architecture. I agree that it's not an issue for most people, bu…

> Wrong. For people who disabled Cortana, it kept re-enabling itself automatically after updates. I think that problem is mostly gone now, but it was definitely an issue all the way up till earlier this year.

I'm pretty sure this only applies if you disabled it through the UWP configurator applet. I vaguely remember this happening to me once. I disabled Cortana in group policy or the registry editor and it never happened again. And you're undermining your own argument by admitting that the problem doesn't actually exist anymore anyway...

> The article has one tiny line-item about fragmentation and it was about architecture. I agree that it's not an issue for most people, but OP is making a comment about a design problem. You are mis-representing the argument by talking past it.

The article's brief mention of fragmentation issues was wrong. It doesn't get a pass just because it was a brief mention. A huge list of issues looks impressive until someone breaks it down and points out how many of the issues aren't valid.

I have no idea what you mean by "architecture" or "design problem." The article claimed that disk fragmentation is an issue, and it's not.

> When Windows 10 first came out there were a TON of devices, including very popular printers and scanners, which had no support.

This was a big issue with Vista, but much less so with 10. Even at its absolute worst, Windows 10 was vastly better than Linux for driver support on the desktop. MacOS doesn't really count because of all their first-party hardware. If there's no superior alternative I don't see a valid point against Windows here.

> when the author wrote this, it was true. He should probably update the site.

Oh... I was assuming it was just published since there's no date in parens in the HN story title. I felt like the article was being disingenuous in repeatedly mentioning old issues that have since been fixed, but if the article is older then that changes a lot.

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by ChrisSD »

brianpgordon wrote: post #219
ChrisSD wrote: post #153

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I agree with much of what you say but I wanted to clarify one point. > 3. I like UAC. The article claims that giving users a dialog box to permit admin access is good for malware, but the alternative is taking admin away from users altogether on their own computers. I don't think this is an acceptable tradeoff. The UAC is about persuading legitimate developers to do the right thing. In that respect it has been succes…

I've always been skeptical of the Windows security model as a user but I didn't think it was that porous. Thanks for setting me straight. I found these articles explaining why it's so bad: https://tyranidslair.blogspot.com/2017/05/reading-your-way-a... https://tyranidslair.blogspot.com/2017/05/reading-your-way-a... https://tyranidslair.blogspot.com/2017/05/reading-your-way-a...

For enhanced security you can run as a "standard user" then switch users whenever you need to run something with admin privileges. And by switch users I mean literally go through the login screen to change desktop to an admin user.

Obviously this isn't ideal. I've been using this set up for awhile and mostly I can live with it but installing/updating programs is a pain. Especially if they bizarrely don't expect to be installed from a different account then the one that runs them (games can be particularly bad about this, even modern ones).

Of course there's a lot a malicious application can do even with standard user privileges (e.g. it has access to all your files and the internet). It's easier to get rid of though.

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by itvision »

pxeboot wrote: post #9

Very valid issues here. Although it has improved, Windows Update is still shockingly bad compared to any decent package manager used on Linux in the past 10+ years.

The last Windows version where updates worked more or less OK was XP.

With Vista they introduced WinSxS and while in theory it was a great idea, it incurred some extremely heavy tradeoffs in terms of updates.

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by m463 »

Silhouette wrote: post #212
m463 wrote: post #187

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Think about putting a non-tech person on linux and that whole thing just grinds to a halt. There is a lot of fiddling.

What fiddling do you think is involved in running a typical Ubuntu desktop these days? Hardware mostly just works. Plug in a USB stick or a camera or phone, see your files, like any other desktop. You've got web browsers and basic office software and communications tools and all the rest. The OS can automatically update for security issues, and that takes care of much of your installed software as well if you're just…

Ubuntu is a controversial example. Probably better usability than most linux distros, but it collects a lot of data (lots of telemetry, amazon app, etc)

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by MikusR »

blackrock wrote: post #50

Plus, the confusing control panel. Everything is flat, with no color distinction, that I must scan every single stupid grey icon, and memorize or guess, what the icons mean. Before, some of the icons would have colors, like the defrag program, where I can quickly identify the program, because the icon has a touch of red in it. This slows me down, and it increases my cognitive overhead to look for things in Windows. A…

What are you talking about? In setting every icon has text describing what it is. On and off buttons have text that says On and Off.
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