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IRS Reforms Free File Program, Drops Agreement Not to Compete with TurboTax

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Re: IRS Reforms Free File Program, Drops Agreement Not to Compete with TurboTax

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post #3

> a years-old prohibition on the IRS creating its own online filing system has been scrapped What kind of insanity leads to this? The government is prohibited from creating software that helps its citizens? There's a lot wrong with Brazil but here I just download the government-provided software (that runs on Windows/Linux/Mac) and fill my taxes in 10-15 minutes. Every year they release a new version that is easier t…

In Australia you can do it all online. Took me about 60 seconds this year and $0. Admittedly I had nothing to claim or declare beyond PAYE and the auto-filled dividends.

Re: IRS Reforms Free File Program, Drops Agreement Not to Compete with TurboTax

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The both parties argument is so stale at this point. While the Dems might not be perfect, they aren't actively sabotaging our democracy. The Republicans just passed a huge tax bill and what did it do? Oh, huge handouts to the wealthy. Nice!

Sabotaging democracy? You mean like attempting to overturn a presidential election?

Just stop. Just take this kind of absolute disregard for facts somewhere else.

Re: IRS Reforms Free File Program, Drops Agreement Not to Compete with TurboTax

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem generally comes down to the fact that no Republican is for improving tax filing. So all it takes is for a handful of Democrats to be lobbied to oppose it and even a Democratic majority can't push changes through.

> The problem generally comes down to the fact that no Republican is for improving tax filing. And that’s a lie: https://www.tedcruz.org/postcard/ Paul Ryan also proposed something similar. However, Democrats opposed it. Basically if it’s simpler and cheaper taxes, Democrats cry foul. Auto filled forms with the current tax system is just lipstick on a pig.

No, better filing with the same tax system is empirically a better position. Holding auto-filling hostage to push contentious unrelated systemic changes is dirty, and why we have such gridlock. "I'm willing to allow a wide-consensus change but only if you concede me my very contention change" is not good-faith.

Re: IRS Reforms Free File Program, Drops Agreement Not to Compete with TurboTax

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In the US, we've had decades of (largely GOP) messaging that the government can't do anything properly. A substantial portion of the population believes it. As noted in a sibling comment, the IRS could pre-fill forms that would be correct for the vast majority of tax payers (who take the standard deduction/don't itemize, have a single job, and no other edge cases). These people should not be paying TurboTax either wa…

> messaging that the government can't do anything properly

I would love to hear about things the government has done exceptionally better than private companies. Please go on.

Re: IRS Reforms Free File Program, Drops Agreement Not to Compete with TurboTax

#166

In the US, we've had decades of (largely GOP) messaging that the government can't do anything properly. A substantial portion of the population believes it. As noted in a sibling comment, the IRS could pre-fill forms that would be correct for the vast majority of tax payers (who take the standard deduction/don't itemize, have a single job, and no other edge cases). These people should not be paying TurboTax either wa…

> messaging that the government can't do anything properly I would love to hear about things the government has done exceptionally better than private companies. Please go on.

The Interstate Highway System, manned spaceflight, and National Parks come to mind.

Re: IRS Reforms Free File Program, Drops Agreement Not to Compete with TurboTax

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post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't go to jail for filing a wrong number accidentally. Only if you are intentionally lying/hiding income. I know people who didn't pay tax FOR THEIR BUSINESS for several years and they settled the debt for much less than they owed and definitely did not go to jail. This is just misinformation.

It's called hyperbole.

I think you mean tax evasion. Hyperbole is completely different.

Re: IRS Reforms Free File Program, Drops Agreement Not to Compete with TurboTax

#168
post #82

In the US, we've had decades of (largely GOP) messaging that the government can't do anything properly. A substantial portion of the population believes it. As noted in a sibling comment, the IRS could pre-fill forms that would be correct for the vast majority of tax payers (who take the standard deduction/don't itemize, have a single job, and no other edge cases). These people should not be paying TurboTax either wa…

It's pretty disgusting. Summed up in one of my favorite tweets, which went something like > Gov: you owe us money. It's called taxes > Ctzn: oh ok, how much do I owe you? > Gov: you have to figure it out > Ctzn: oh well, then I owe you 0 > Gov: no, no, we know how much you owe, you have to figure it out, and by the way if you get it wrong you go to jail

The thing people misunderstand with the government not being able to figure it out is because there's a huge variety of complexity that is truly individual based. Did you make a contribution to a tax deductible IRA? Did you make a retroactive payment to that account in the following tax calendar year? There's a ton of variables going on here, where the government doesn't have this all-seeing system where everything gets accounted for across the vast array of income sources and employment statuses, dependents, filing status, and all the increments and decrements to those things through time. There's no one central source where all this information is collated and waiting for someone to turn the crank and grind out a number from. Folks have to remember that nothing is implemented by default.

The effort to reduce the complexity of the 1040 into 6 new schedules was a great way to factor out those with complicated situations such that the majority of tax payers are oblivious to those nuances. The crux of the matter is that legislators passed into law all these onerous mass of rules to turn various levers to entice and discourage certain things and bite those with progressive tax rates. It is precisely the existence of these rules as to why the government doesn't know what tax valley you land in that huge parameter space. It will not presume to know your specific circumstances but assume that you being aware of your own money and circumstances are in the best position to know these things. At the least one thing I learned is that with tax laws if you have no idea what a thing is it probably in not applicable to you.

Needless to say all of this would be much more simple if we just pay a flat tax on all income for all people. Nothing simpler than that.

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#169
post #64

I just want to move to a system where the IRS sends me a bill, they know how much I owe them.

Assuming you're a traditional W2 worker, yes. But many people have other income sources such that the IRS doesn't know how much you owe until you report it.

Re: IRS Reforms Free File Program, Drops Agreement Not to Compete with TurboTax

#170

In the US, we've had decades of (largely GOP) messaging that the government can't do anything properly. A substantial portion of the population believes it. As noted in a sibling comment, the IRS could pre-fill forms that would be correct for the vast majority of tax payers (who take the standard deduction/don't itemize, have a single job, and no other edge cases). These people should not be paying TurboTax either wa…

> messaging that the government can't do anything properly I would love to hear about things the government has done exceptionally better than private companies. Please go on.

Healthcare comes to mind since we're discussing US politics.

Roads might be the canonical example but I'm not familiar with any examples of privatized roads.

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