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How an Alzheimer’s ‘cabal’ thwarted progress toward a cure

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Re: How an Alzheimer’s ‘cabal’ thwarted progress toward a cure

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Post by RobertRoberts »

Retric wrote: post #96
RobertRoberts wrote: post #89

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>"On the specific topic of IQ and scientific racism, the "centrist" position of "just asking questions" has been a cloak for agendas and not caring about the truth for a while now" That is the price for _having_ a truth. All sides must be allowed to argue, because sometimes _you_ are the one on the wrong side and just don't know it.

You can’t simply join scientific debate while ignoring the existing findings. Genetics and race are almost completely unrelated with black in America including people that 7 out of 8 white great grand parents. So, arguing your measurements are of genetic differences needs to account for such non biological social constructs. Good faith research can follow the social construct of race, but it needs to address that ele…

I wasn't addressing a specific instance or issue.

I was just pointing out that we must all be willing to both prove others wrong and be proven wrong or we can never correct anything.

And, we must all be willing to accept and work with the difficulty this causes for many people.

But we must never, ever stifle speech because it's upsetting or we disagree with it. At the very least because the pendulum swings and any oppression we support today _will_ be turned against us or others in the future.

Re: How an Alzheimer’s ‘cabal’ thwarted progress toward a cure

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Post by patmcc »

wavepruner wrote: post #226
cockatiel_day wrote: post #187

This article is 100% true. My first job out of college 10 years ago was in a lab focused on Alzheimer’s research. Our Principle Investigator made an art of writing grant applications for studies that would appear to be in line with mainstream theory, but were really intended to test theories he actually thought were worth testing, presented in results as an “interesting” aside. He believed the amyloid theory had been…

"I suspect this dynamic is not limited to Alzheimer’s research." Agreed, I think it is a universal problem in science. I have an illness that has been curable for decades now, but this cure is treated with hostility by the medical establishment. I look forward to the day when the cabal of my illness collapses. Hopefully then I will be able to talk about what happened without people getting angry.

How does the medical establishment benefit from not curing your illness?

Re: How an Alzheimer’s ‘cabal’ thwarted progress toward a cure

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Post by umvi »

OGWhales wrote: post #257
wavepruner wrote: post #226

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"I suspect this dynamic is not limited to Alzheimer’s research." Agreed, I think it is a universal problem in science. I have an illness that has been curable for decades now, but this cure is treated with hostility by the medical establishment. I look forward to the day when the cabal of my illness collapses. Hopefully then I will be able to talk about what happened without people getting angry.

Care to share further? You have sparked my curiosity.

It's probably one of those illnesses like cluster headaches that can be treated with a currently-illegal drug like psychedelic mushrooms.

Re: How an Alzheimer’s ‘cabal’ thwarted progress toward a cure

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Post by DarkmSparks »

efa wrote: post #240
DarkmSparks wrote: post #125

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Really interesting observation, fascinating to see it described as "emergent behaviour". WMDs were known to be fake from the start though, they were just stealing Iraqi oil, and David Kelly lost his life trying to expose it - could you suggest a better example? Article is great to, came to post something along the lines of "no it wasn't a conspiracy", but the article summerises exactly what happened under the picture…

I'm sure what were fake. The US GAVE Saddam WMDs during the war with Iran (maybe you don't consider these WMDs). No one argues that he didn't use mustard gas on the Kurds.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_Dossier

Re: How an Alzheimer’s ‘cabal’ thwarted progress toward a cure

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Post by grzm »

patmcc wrote: post #262
wavepruner wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I suspect this dynamic is not limited to Alzheimer’s research." Agreed, I think it is a universal problem in science. I have an illness that has been curable for decades now, but this cure is treated with hostility by the medical establishment. I look forward to the day when the cabal of my illness collapses. Hopefully then I will be able to talk about what happened without people getting angry.

How does the medical establishment benefit from not curing your illness?

By being able to charge for ongoing treatment.

Re: How an Alzheimer’s ‘cabal’ thwarted progress toward a cure

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Post by DarkmSparks »

amw wrote: post #195
DarkmSparks wrote: post #125

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Really interesting observation, fascinating to see it described as "emergent behaviour". WMDs were known to be fake from the start though, they were just stealing Iraqi oil, and David Kelly lost his life trying to expose it - could you suggest a better example? Article is great to, came to post something along the lines of "no it wasn't a conspiracy", but the article summerises exactly what happened under the picture…

> They went "all in" on bad science. They went "all in" on science, that happens with hindsight to maybe not have been an accurate model for reality. Nobody can know that a particular explanation is bad without actually doing the science first, no matter what post facto explanations we can come up with after we realize we've been chasing a unicorn.

"bad science" because it was proven wrong after spending hundreds of billions of dollars.

no particular judgement, but saying "mistakes were made" would be something of an understatement.

Re: How an Alzheimer’s ‘cabal’ thwarted progress toward a cure

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Post by wavepruner »

patmcc wrote: post #262
wavepruner wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I suspect this dynamic is not limited to Alzheimer’s research." Agreed, I think it is a universal problem in science. I have an illness that has been curable for decades now, but this cure is treated with hostility by the medical establishment. I look forward to the day when the cabal of my illness collapses. Hopefully then I will be able to talk about what happened without people getting angry.

How does the medical establishment benefit from not curing your illness?

I don't think they benefit. It's just a complicated issue and change takes time.

Re: How an Alzheimer’s ‘cabal’ thwarted progress toward a cure

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Post by btilly »

btilly wrote: post #256
quantified wrote: post #237

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Recall the saying that science proceeds one funeral at a time. I believe it was coined as part of describing the shift to acceptance of plate tectonics.

It was coined by Max Plank in 1930. I believe that it was about the acceptance of Quantum Mechanics. Examples include that Edward Cope never accepted Darwin's theory of evolution (even though the fossils that he found were good evidence for it), Albert Einstein never accepted QM (even though his Nobel was for one of the key discoveries on the way to QM), and Fred Hoyle never accepted the Big Bang (even though he coin…

I went and found an interesting article confirming this. When a star researcher in a field dies, the result is an increase in people entering the field and exploring the ideas.

See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21917047

Re: How an Alzheimer’s ‘cabal’ thwarted progress toward a cure

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Post by wavepruner »

OGWhales wrote: post #257
wavepruner wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I suspect this dynamic is not limited to Alzheimer’s research." Agreed, I think it is a universal problem in science. I have an illness that has been curable for decades now, but this cure is treated with hostility by the medical establishment. I look forward to the day when the cabal of my illness collapses. Hopefully then I will be able to talk about what happened without people getting angry.

Care to share further? You have sparked my curiosity.

Going into details will just invite more down votes. You can look through my older posts if you really want to know. I talked about it a bit when I first created this account.

Re: How an Alzheimer’s ‘cabal’ thwarted progress toward a cure

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Post by wavepruner »

internet_user wrote: post #244
wavepruner wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I suspect this dynamic is not limited to Alzheimer’s research." Agreed, I think it is a universal problem in science. I have an illness that has been curable for decades now, but this cure is treated with hostility by the medical establishment. I look forward to the day when the cabal of my illness collapses. Hopefully then I will be able to talk about what happened without people getting angry.

Lyme? You were able to clear long-term post-lyme with i.v. abx? I am interested to hear what you have to say.

Lyme may be a complicating factor, but I do not believe it is the root cause. I won't go into details because it will just invite more down votes. You can look at my older posts if you really want to know more. I talked about it a bit when I first created this account.
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