This is another example of group-think in scientific research. The same thing happened for decades where low fat diets were supposed to help for heart disease but that has only recently been reversed after decades of indoctrination. This happens all throughout scientific research, where science is supposed to be immune to this, but it's obviously not. So many things we take as gospel, only to be reversed decades late…
This isn't the same as the situation around low fat diet at all. That research is intentionally distorted by companies who want to avoid the reality of what is needed: moderation, modest calorie intake and low sugar diets. The situation in the scientific literature was always far more fluid and complicated than what was communicated to the public because industry paid to communicate only the research they wanted. htt…
How an Alzheimer’s ‘cabal’ thwarted progress toward a cure
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Anyone can put some co2 and a thermometer in a sealed container. A second one without additional ghgs, too. Alzheimer’s probably more difficult to understand and you have to trust somebody.
I really, really think you're oversimplifying climate science.
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Anyone can put some co2 and a thermometer in a sealed container. A second one without additional ghgs, too. Alzheimer’s probably more difficult to understand and you have to trust somebody.
I really, really think you're oversimplifying climate science.
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This is an extremely important point. Since I was a grad student, there have been at least 5 monumental "findings" in physics: 1. A spinning top weighs less if it spins one way than if it spins the other 2. A "fifth force," IIRC it was linked to baryons 3. The climate is warming, not (as people thought) cooling 4. Superconductivity can be achieved at high (liquid Ln2) temperatures 5. Fusion can be achieved at low (ro…
And its physics, where I believe that it is cheaper to try weird experiments. Even if the equipment costs are high, you can probably book 5 minutes on it to let a grad do something seemingly silly. In pharmacy even a simple trial on mice may take months, which translates to $$$. Not even mentioning how expensive (and hard to get approved) a trial on humans is. I can understand the desire to focus on the "promising" a…
It's as you say: once you have a basic working model it doesn't take conspiracy theory to see other avenues being blocked.
The particular point the article makes, however, that journals reject articles because of no prior publications in good journals is infuriating.
The article also mentions that funding has been limited; so hard choices had to be made. But it does seem curious that the cause was so widely believed before they could even make a solid diagnosis of the disease without an autopsy examination of the brain.
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AFAIK at no point in time were there more publications predicting cooling than publications predicting warming. It was just the popsci media that almost exclusively predicted another ice age.
Thank you. Yes. The "they said global cooling" myth needs to be retired. I did just a quick google search because it's 5am and I need to sleep soon, but this looks like a good history of the global cooling thing: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/01/the-gl...
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#86Unfortunately true for most scientific communities and the reason why the current academic system is badly broken and talented young minds decide to quit academia before even submitting a dissertation.
Go read about the battles between Newton and Hooke or even Newton and Leibniz.
The doctor who first suggested washing hand to cut down on infections in the 1800s was ridiculed and mocked by surgeons.
Scientists who brought up germ theory were mocked as quacks by doctors and scientists who rigidly adhered to the miasma theory as gospel.
Of course white supremacy was accepted "scientific fact" for a very long time by academia and anyone who thought otherwise would have been viewed similarly to a flat earther today. You could argue that white supremacy would still be "scientific fact" were it not for ww2.
My personal favorite is Georg Cantor who was mercilessly attacked by his fellow academics within math and even without for his theories on infinite numbers.
"The objections to Cantor's work were occasionally fierce: Leopold Kronecker's public opposition and personal attacks included describing Cantor as a "scientific charlatan", a "renegade" and a "corrupter of youth".[8] Kronecker objected to Cantor's proofs that the algebraic numbers are countable, and that the transcendental numbers are uncountable, results now included in a standard mathematics curriculum. Writing decades after Cantor's death, Wittgenstein lamented that mathematics is "ridden through and through with the pernicious idioms of set theory", which he dismissed as "utter nonsense" that is "laughable" and "wrong".[9][context needed] Cantor's recurring bouts of depression from 1884 to the end of his life have been blamed on the hostile attitude of many of his contemporaries,[10] though some have explained these episodes as probable manifestations of a bipolar disorder"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Cantor
"charlatan", "renegade", "corrupter of youth". Isn't it interesting how academics attack each other like religious people attack each other? The odd thing about some of the attacks on Cantor is that it came after his death and after he had PROVEN his countable and uncountable infinites.
The history of academia is as nasty and vicious as any other institution. And its gatekeepers and heroes as petty and pathetic as any you'd find anywhere else.
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#87Unfortunately true for most scientific communities and the reason why the current academic system is badly broken and talented young minds decide to quit academia before even submitting a dissertation.
Academia was always broken. Despite the current undeserved reputation as academia being open to debate and new ideas, the opposite has always been true. Academia has its sordid history of dogmaticism and hero-worshipping. And progress in knowledge usually advanced in spite of academia rather than because of it. Go read about the battles between Newton and Hooke or even Newton and Leibniz. The doctor who first suggest…
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On the specific topic of IQ and scientific racism, the "centrist" position of "just asking questions" has been a cloak for agendas and not caring about the truth for a while now. Exhibit A: https://mobile.twitter.com/Simon_Whitten/status/117331966332... Exhibit B, what happens when you actually dig into the science behind the most well known peddler of the IQ is real and important, therefore racism is actually not a…
A lot of your points are addressed explicitly by that twitter account. I would encourage you to spend some time reading through and examining the extensive studies being presented. Believe me, I would love to dismiss it as a biased person and be done with it. But the truth seems to be nuanced. Suppose tomorrow someone had concrete scientific evidence that climate change wasn't man-made. (It's a thought experiment, so…
But...I think you'd continue to see pushback on pollution in general, because living in polluted environments is just terrible. Remember LA in the 80s? Been to any of the SE Asian megacities now? Even if it had zero impact on the future of the planet, reducing emissions is still a laudable goal for the myriad other human costs.
Moving away from car-centric lifestyles has a lot of benefits aside from the impact on carbon pollution, like reducing the time spent sitting in cars on gridlocked freeways and city streets. People would still push for the societal changes that reduce auto dependence for those reasons, even if there was zero human cost to carbon-producing transportation there.
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#89The truth has a habit of shining through if you are encouraged to keep asking questions and follow up on them. The point is that people are actively discouraged from asking questions and following up on them. People lose their careers and livelihoods for asking the wrong sorts of questions. Truth is no barrier to social backlash. In fact, questions that might be true tend to be the ones that get people the most heate…
On the specific topic of IQ and scientific racism, the "centrist" position of "just asking questions" has been a cloak for agendas and not caring about the truth for a while now. Exhibit A: https://mobile.twitter.com/Simon_Whitten/status/117331966332... Exhibit B, what happens when you actually dig into the science behind the most well known peddler of the IQ is real and important, therefore racism is actually not a…
That is the price for _having_ a truth. All sides must be allowed to argue, because sometimes _you_ are the one on the wrong side and just don't know it.
Re: How an Alzheimer’s ‘cabal’ thwarted progress toward a cure
#90This is another example of group-think in scientific research. The same thing happened for decades where low fat diets were supposed to help for heart disease but that has only recently been reversed after decades of indoctrination. This happens all throughout scientific research, where science is supposed to be immune to this, but it's obviously not. So many things we take as gospel, only to be reversed decades late…
"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it. . . . An important scientific innovation rarely makes its way by gradually winning over and converting its opponents: it rarely happens that Saul becomes Paul. What does happen is that its opponents gradually die out, and that the growing generation is familiarized with the ideas from the beginning: another instance of the fact that the future lies with the youth."