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Re: Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content Recognition

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Post by lonelappde »

Crosseye_Jack wrote: post #271
buddylw wrote: post #165

I'm getting ready to go full Battlestar Galactica in all of my appliances. It's now difficult to find high end washers and ovens without these features. At least right now we can choose not to connect the devices, but what happens if iot LTE connections get cheap enough that the choice is removed altogether, like with Tesla and other high end modern cars? I don't think I'm just being a Luddite. This really seems like…

>what happens if iot LTE connections get cheap enough that the choice is removed altogether. Narrowband IoT is the target market for that. T-Mobile has a plan where a certified module costs $5 (There is a min order to get that price, but for a large vendor that's not going to be an issue) then $6 p/year as long as you can keep below 12MB per year. But you can keep bw down by shipping the fingerprinting software with…

$6/yr is early adopter price. With a little competition and multiple spy devices per home, that will drop to bulk rates of $1/yr/device or less.

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Post by lonelappde »

jp555 wrote: post #386
joezydeco wrote: post #313

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If you're getting $26 from the ad agencies, then it's $-1 on your BOM. Done deal.

But is individual data worth that much? I mean isn’t “my” Facebook data is worth less than $0.20US/year?

Advertisers pay Facebook a total of $100/yr/user in USA.

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Post by ssss11 »

Skunkleton wrote: post #524
ssss11 wrote: post #509

To those in this thread denouncing these dystopian times my question to you is, how do we as technologists create a meaningful and successful career changing this? I’ve been against this for a very long time and can’t see any easy way to contribute (and also provide $ for my family) short of being in government policy making or law making which would require substantial career changes and further education and then s…

Unfortunately I don’t think there is a legitimate opportunity to work on this problem, and also have a stable high paying job. At the moment I think the best thing to do is educate people. Eventually, awareness will build and the market will emerge.

With all the media coverage and growing concern of recent years I was hoping that time had come.. that’s a shame

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Post by lonelappde »

ellius wrote: post #329
joeblau wrote: post #219

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I was talking to a few people in a slack channel the other day about the potential market for a whole set of "dumb" appliances. At the end of the day, we came to the conclusion that it wouldn't be a able to reach mass market because the mass consumers seem to care more about price than security.

I'm not sure this is a counterargument, but if a company did this in an open way I could trust, I would buy EVERYTHING from them. Fridge, washer, dryer, dishwasher, televisions, small electronics, cars, whatever. You name it I'd buy it. I don't have enough information to determine how many people are like me, but the profit you could make on me as a customer would be ridiculous. You'd get the kind of platform loyalty…

There are dozens of people like you, maybe even thousands or tens of thousands. In other words, not do worth paying attention to.

Also, you're probably not telling the truth to yourself, since you get your news from HN instead of paying for journalism.

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Post by jadams3 »

Surprised I haven't read this in thread yet, but isn't this Issue what makes homekit enabled routers appealiNg when they finally release ? As I understand it the router can isolate Internet access on a per device basis.

Yes you can VLAN & firewall your way to the same place, but dealing with it at a consumer router level seems like a really great feature of homekit to me.

And yes, homekit supported devices are relatively rare and often more expensive, and they don't have a $€|$$> doorbell. But If we are talking about BSG Colonial style dishwashers, then this seems like a small price to pay.

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Post by kortilla »

jdnenej wrote: post #504
netsharc wrote: post #258

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Like Zune's DRM (luckily before Zune died they let purchasers download MP3s). I wonder what funny failure scenarios we'll see in the future. On the topic of Samsung, their "smart" Fridge had issues when Google changed its API: https://support.google.com/calendar/forum/AAAAd3GaXpEWgy9gKk... , but at least that's some stupid feature and not a fridge's main feature...

Games have been becoming unplayable due to DRM servers shutting down. IoT devices are becoming bricks when they go out of support. DRM and internet dependency are the ultimate tools in capitalisms planned obsolescence toolbox. You no longer have to wait for a product to fail, you can simply remotely destroy it so the customer buys a new one.

> DRM and internet dependency are the ultimate tools in capitalisms planned obsolescence toolbox.

They are also the ultimate tools in authoritarian government’s toolboxes. Nothing like the ministry of truth having the ability to prevent the citizens from seeing unapproved “harmful” content that might disrupt society’s harmony.

As the sibling points out, the real issue here is the devaluation of property rights (more specifically your control over your own devices). These type of controls should be fought even in non-capitalist environments.

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Post by chillacy »

ssss11 wrote: post #509

To those in this thread denouncing these dystopian times my question to you is, how do we as technologists create a meaningful and successful career changing this? I’ve been against this for a very long time and can’t see any easy way to contribute (and also provide $ for my family) short of being in government policy making or law making which would require substantial career changes and further education and then s…

You could pipe a piece of your paycheck to the EFF, a lot of companies have donation matching.

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Post by smolder »

Scoundreller wrote: post #446
userbinator wrote: post #438

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Put an automatic in "low gear" (I still remember when it used to be called "grade retard" on some cars, which was to be used for braking only and not acceleration) and you'll get engine braking. and quicker « free » cabin heat in cold conditions. Engine braking won't heat the engine much over just idling, in fact it may even cool it off more because the governor will cut off fuel completely.

It’s a good question re:heat that seems to be unanswered. While it is compression and decompression, it’s not 100% efficient. And in a gas car, it’s releasing hot compressed air throughout the system, including the cat converter. I figured enough heat during compression would radiate to the engine. Plus more RPMs = more stuff warming up. I mean, the energy has to go somewhere, and the engine itself makes the most sen…

Reciprocating mass (pistons, rods, and valves constantly changing direction) is where a great deal of the energy is sunk when engine braking. It doesn't all go to heat. Accessories are also doing useful work like the alternator charging the battery and the water pump circulating coolant. Friction is significant and increases with rpm and oil pressure, but you aren't heating it nearly as much as when it's burning fuel.
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