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> have a how to to completely remove radio capabilities. We have no guarantee these devices would continue to work after such operation.
Sorry should be more clear. I mean how to physically remove such capabilities.
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>what happens if iot LTE connections get cheap enough that the choice is removed altogether. Narrowband IoT is the target market for that. T-Mobile has a plan where a certified module costs $5 (There is a min order to get that price, but for a large vendor that's not going to be an issue) then $6 p/year as long as you can keep below 12MB per year. But you can keep bw down by shipping the fingerprinting software with…
I think we’re safe from that because enough people put their smartTVs on the network anyway. We’ll lose some precision in the data because it’s biased against grandma, but good enough to sell the reports. It may be $25/unit, but if 9/10 put their device on the network anyway, that’s $250/useful outcome.
My argument is more that from a cost point of view we are pretty much at the point it could be done, Not that I think it will happen any time soon (Reg's about data collection around the world are beginning to tighten up, personally I think getting the lawyers to draft up the paper work for an always connected TV for data collection alone is gonna be more the sticking point then the cost of the equipment/data to do so).
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> The signal should travel through walls better. I'm pretty sure this is exactly the opposite: the shorter wavelength signals in 5G are line of sight, much more so than 4G.
I think this is why there is a decidedly specific marketing push talking about how 5G is going to really bring high speed to rural areas. Its slightly subtle, but not so much, in the commercials - but you can see that its there - and I believe its a CYA thing. Now imagine when 5G is mature, and coverage is blanketed AND the Drone ID legislation is passed.
Until regulators force them to become dumb pipes; as they often have for physical infrastructure.
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Can there be a balance? I'd love to remotely control and view the status of my appliances without sending the telemetry to the OEM. Physically disabling all the radios would prohibit this functionality.
I reckon that, given enough time, it’ll go the same was as everything else. Either you pay a subscription to remote it (and the inevitable ads that will appear), or you pay a premium for something without that functionality. I don’t see how this stops. Advertisers will stop at nothing to invade your life, and businesses are more than happy to facilitate them if they get some more money out of it.
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Wait until 5G rolls out into mass adoption where an IoT modem is built into every TV for “diagnostics”
I've literally never had a TV break or stop working. Ever. Especially with the new mass produced panels, what sort of Diagnostics or remote analysis could they POSSIBLY be doing?
Just reinserted them all back in and voila.
The LEDs or drivers sometimes die, but replacements are usually available from ebay or aliexpress.
Funny how one of the repairers found that his 120V only LCD TV had a 120/240 power supply board nonetheless.
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I was talking to a few people in a slack channel the other day about the potential market for a whole set of "dumb" appliances. At the end of the day, we came to the conclusion that it wouldn't be a able to reach mass market because the mass consumers seem to care more about price than security.
Well, I would be interested. Also, I don't like HDMI, and I don't need such a big TV set. For TV and VCR and some stuff like that, if it uses computer system (many kind of appliances should not need any kind of computer code), having the rights provided by GPL3, and also wired IMIDI (and perhaps also IMIDI-over-IR, with a switch to disable IR entirely). And, the software should be simpler and not so slow, not so much…
Few reasons why I prefer dumb TVs, just a flat LED panel: 1. You have control over bullshit like this 2. You can make them smart by attaching the external box 3. You don't have to throw the TV because your Software is now old, just change the box. 4. There's new format which requires hardware support (av1 is coming), change the box. 5. Want to add new hardware? Upgrade the box.
What's to prevent you from doing the same with a SmartTV in the future? Just disconnect it from the network and keep a box plugged into HDMI1.
On this note, I would suggest never connecting it to your network (it could secretly remember your wifi password). Maybe it's just a bug, but once in a while the my Samsung TV's usb connection is listed as the last used source. I've never connected anything to the usb connection and it's wall mounted above my desk (where my kids and wife would not be able to reach it so I know it's not them using it either). It could be a coincidence, but I have also not seen it do this since I changed the wifi password in the access point.
Needless to say, when I bought a new TV recently I never connected it to the network at all.
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I think we’re safe from that because enough people put their smartTVs on the network anyway. We’ll lose some precision in the data because it’s biased against grandma, but good enough to sell the reports. It may be $25/unit, but if 9/10 put their device on the network anyway, that’s $250/useful outcome.
But that $25 is if every module is activated. If the Customer connects the TV to their own network anyway then you just cancel (if even activated anyway) the data plan for that TV. My argument is more that from a cost point of view we are pretty much at the point it could be done, Not that I think it will happen any time soon (Reg's about data collection around the world are beginning to tighten up, personally I thin…
I'm getting ready to go full Battlestar Galactica in all of my appliances. It's now difficult to find high end washers and ovens without these features. At least right now we can choose not to connect the devices, but what happens if iot LTE connections get cheap enough that the choice is removed altogether, like with Tesla and other high end modern cars? I don't think I'm just being a Luddite. This really seems like…
I was talking to a few people in a slack channel the other day about the potential market for a whole set of "dumb" appliances. At the end of the day, we came to the conclusion that it wouldn't be a able to reach mass market because the mass consumers seem to care more about price than security.
Not sure what the problem is. The user consents to this by saying 'yes' when they are asked if they agree with the Terms and Conditions.
That right there is the problem!