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Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content Recognition

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Re: Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content Recognition

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Post by viraptor »

shpx wrote: post #74
rohan1024 wrote: post #27

Few reasons why I prefer dumb TVs, just a flat LED panel: 1. You have control over bullshit like this 2. You can make them smart by attaching the external box 3. You don't have to throw the TV because your Software is now old, just change the box. 4. There's new format which requires hardware support (av1 is coming), change the box. 5. Want to add new hardware? Upgrade the box.

Which dumb 4K TV(s) should I buy?

Someone here mentioned recently that there are many dumb TVs sold as business/commercial displays. Haven't got one, but maybe that's something you can look into.

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Post by WiseWeasel »

hatch_q wrote: post #196
driverdan wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is how to disable it for all brands: Don't connect your TV to the internet.

Some of the newer TVs need to be configured with internet access to even work.

I'd return it and get a different manufacturer.

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Post by electrograv »

rsync wrote: post #200
shpx wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which dumb 4K TV(s) should I buy?

"Which dumb 4K TV(s) should I buy?" That's a really good question, as it is qualified by the '4k' requirement ... It's very easy and relatively inexpensive to buy a 1920x10280 commercial display unit, such as the NEC p461, which you have probably seen 10k times in airports. However, there is not much demand for 4k panels for videowalls since ... the videowall grows to larger than 4k resolution anyway just by virtue o…

Unfortunately, the image quality of computer monitors pale in comparison to modern TVs. I recently switched from a Dell P4317Q to an old Samsung Q7 for my gaming monitor, and the quality (contrast, colors) improvement is profound, even without any HDR content. When we’re talking about HDR, they’re not even on the same playing field.

And that’s an old Samsung TV. On top of that, Samsung’s current flagships are among the worst TVs right now vs the competing major brands’ flagships (because all the best are now OLED, and Samsung is the only hold-out).

Even the improvement from a Samsung Q90 (which I had for a few weeks) to LG C9 OLED has to be seem to be believed. On some content, the improvement is drastic.

The technological progress of modern OLED TVs vs LED LCD is practically magical, when viewing good HDR content. If you go for an old panel for the sake of privacy, you’re either going to be sorely disappointed or blissfully ignorant of what your missing.

I would much rather buy a modern model and figure out how to disable the radios, if I was this worried about privacy.

Re: Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content Recognition

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Post by saganus »

If you don't want to read the whole thing, the content recognition part is this:

> Viewing Information Services This privacy notice should be read in conjunction with the Samsung Privacy Policy, which also applies to your receipt of customized Smart TV experiences and can be found at https://www.samsung.com/us/account/privacy-policy/. In order to provide you with customized Smart TV experiences, some of our feature and services will rely on your TV viewing history and Smart TV usage information. Your TV viewing history includes information about the networks, channels, websites visited and programs viewed on your Smart TV and the amount of time spent viewing them. We may use automatic content recognition (ACR) and other technologies to capture this information. Your Smart TV transfers video snippets or TV tuner information in order to determine the programs watched.

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Post by heavyset_go »

ohazi wrote: post #224
kstrauser wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a ham radio license. If/when this happens, I eagerly look forward to using what I’ve picked up to figure out how to kill this with fire. In all likelihood, a piece of thin metal plate taped to the case in the right place will probably be all that’s needed.

And then the next generation will have signed firmware that doesn't allow the device to start until the spy packets go out and the response is received. We need to kill these companies and their business models. As fun as it is for smart people like us to perform one-off lobotomies, it doesn't solve the problem.

> And then the next generation will have signed firmware that doesn't allow the device to start until the spy packets go out and the response is received.

Some Chromecast products already won't function unless they can talk to Google DNS servers[1].

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19170671

Re: Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content Recognition

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Post by matthew-wegner »

lpgauth wrote: post #161

Samsung Smart TVs do not take screenshots as far as I know. They do audio and video fingerprinting. It would be way too costly and inificient to upload screenshots for content recognition ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_content_recognitio... ). Disclaimer: I work for Samsung, but not directly in the TV software.

It's right there in the linked text:

"Your Smart TV transfers video snippets or TV tuner information in order to determine the programs watched"

Re: Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content Recognition

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Post by zzo38computer »

joeblau wrote: post #219
buddylw wrote: post #165

I'm getting ready to go full Battlestar Galactica in all of my appliances. It's now difficult to find high end washers and ovens without these features. At least right now we can choose not to connect the devices, but what happens if iot LTE connections get cheap enough that the choice is removed altogether, like with Tesla and other high end modern cars? I don't think I'm just being a Luddite. This really seems like…

I was talking to a few people in a slack channel the other day about the potential market for a whole set of "dumb" appliances. At the end of the day, we came to the conclusion that it wouldn't be a able to reach mass market because the mass consumers seem to care more about price than security.

Well, I would be interested. Also, I don't like HDMI, and I don't need such a big TV set. For TV and VCR and some stuff like that, if it uses computer system (many kind of appliances should not need any kind of computer code), having the rights provided by GPL3, and also wired IMIDI (and perhaps also IMIDI-over-IR, with a switch to disable IR entirely). And, the software should be simpler and not so slow, not so much fancy animation or otherwise bad UI (e.g. requiring you to push the arrows to select an option, even if just one button (such as a number) should do) either!
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