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Post by ghaff »

hanniabu wrote: post #378
ghaff wrote: post #370

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I sort of wonder how dumbphone sales split out between: - I don't need/want to pay for/know how to use a computer in my pocket. A phone is all I need. - My kid just needs a phone for emergencies. A smartphone will be a distraction - An actual burner phone for whatever purpose.

Also the too poor crowd. I think the only reason they still exist is because 3rd world countries use them. Although even 3rd world countries are getting upgraded to smart phones as cheap low level ones enter the market. I give it maybe 3 years until they're no longer being offered.

I'm not sure I'd bet against you but, so long as they remain the best way to communicate by voice/text more or less anonymously (in a world where pay phones are mostly no longer an option), I expect they'll remain as a niche for illegal, quasi-legal, etc. use at least.

I suppose that smartphones can in principle be equivalently anonymous but, in practice, it's probably harder and there are more opportunities to leak identity.

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Post by TedDoesntTalk »

SmirkingRevenge wrote: post #191
snickerbockers wrote: post #148

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What in the hell was he renting that ruined his career?

I don't know the specifics of this case... but back then, video rental stores did big business renting porn. That definitely could ruin a career or two, especially in those days.

The chains like Blockbuster had no porn, at least none that I ever saw. Maybe the independent stores did?

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Post by nitrogen »

ghaff wrote: post #360
RandomBacon wrote: post #321

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I interpreted as: we have no guarantee that they won't need an internet connection to operate.

Not saying a manufacturer might not think about making a TV that must be connected to the internet but, even leaving aside privacy etc. issues, that's a huge minefield. Not everyone has internet everywhere that they might care to install a TV. And it wouldn't take much for Best Buy or Walmart to stop carrying your product after one too many customers return it because it wouldn't work.

People made this argument about Steam, Battlenet, game DRM, etc. But it happened anyway.

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Post by qrbLPHiKpiux »

buddylw wrote: post #165

I'm getting ready to go full Battlestar Galactica in all of my appliances. It's now difficult to find high end washers and ovens without these features. At least right now we can choose not to connect the devices, but what happens if iot LTE connections get cheap enough that the choice is removed altogether, like with Tesla and other high end modern cars? I don't think I'm just being a Luddite. This really seems like…

> high end washers

Consider Speed Queen. Best buy (pun intended) I've made in a while.

Stop with Samsung and LG - all they do is chip things.

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Post by nitrogen »

Scoundreller wrote: post #308
andrewksl wrote: post #298

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Wouldn’t that make it almost impossible to meet emission regulations? I’m not a fan of how opaque cars have gotten, but I’ll accept some loss of control for cleaner air.

Automatics are still too dumb to keep the clutch engaged while braking. Officially automatics and manuals are a wash for mileage, but I think driving style can make manuals the winner. All that kinetic energy getting dissipated by brakes instead of turning the engine and all of its accessories in autos. I’m quite surprised auto manufacturers haven’t implemented engine braking for émissions, reducing brake wear, and q…

My 2005 car will use engine braking to control hill descent speed automatically, and will downshift in some cases to assist braking.

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Post by Phillipharryt »

Scoundreller wrote: post #308
andrewksl wrote: post #298

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Wouldn’t that make it almost impossible to meet emission regulations? I’m not a fan of how opaque cars have gotten, but I’ll accept some loss of control for cleaner air.

Automatics are still too dumb to keep the clutch engaged while braking. Officially automatics and manuals are a wash for mileage, but I think driving style can make manuals the winner. All that kinetic energy getting dissipated by brakes instead of turning the engine and all of its accessories in autos. I’m quite surprised auto manufacturers haven’t implemented engine braking for émissions, reducing brake wear, and q…

Automatics disengage the driveshaft to save wear on engine parts. It's an active decision, not being "too dumb". Wearing out brakes is cheaper to fix than wearing out your brakes, and people like longer lasting, cheaper to fix, cars.

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Post by EpicEng »

ksec wrote: post #369
rohan1024 wrote: post #27

Few reasons why I prefer dumb TVs, just a flat LED panel: 1. You have control over bullshit like this 2. You can make them smart by attaching the external box 3. You don't have to throw the TV because your Software is now old, just change the box. 4. There's new format which requires hardware support (av1 is coming), change the box. 5. Want to add new hardware? Upgrade the box.

Why Apple hasn't made a TV set is beyond me. As much as we want a Dump TV on HN, in terms of general market I would doubt even 5% of people are willing trade cheaper pricing, integrated Software experience for privacy.

Didn't you just answer your own question? The market for $5k+ televisions is pretty small, especially when they're unlikely to be better on paper than what you'd get for half the price from another brand.

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Post by EpicEng »

hatch_q wrote: post #196
driverdan wrote: post #159

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Here is how to disable it for all brands: Don't connect your TV to the internet.

Some of the newer TVs need to be configured with internet access to even work.

I just bought a new TV and found zero examples of that from any manufacturer.

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Post by userbinator »

The old Soviet Russia and Orwell jokes have taken on a whole new meaning in these "modern times"... 6 years ago it was discovered --- through packet inspection --- that LG TVs actually did something similar:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6759426

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6778397

Now I bet they're all using TLS and won't let you trust your own certificates, making it even more difficult to MITM it and verify what exact information it's sending.

For those who don't mind a bit of DIY, you can "lobotomize" a smart TV by replacing the main board with a dumb one of the type used in computer monitors --- there are many online sellers of these, just search for "LVDS board" or "scaler board". You will need to know the model of the panel, and the seller should be able to help with that since the board needs to be programmed with the correct parameters for the panel it's driving. Something like this: https://www.aliexpress.com/i/32860791745.html

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Post by [deleted] »

arpa wrote: post #359
paulcole wrote: post #352

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> what happens if iot LTE connections get cheap enough that the choice is removed altogether Just like what happens when any product you like gets discontinued. You either accept the drawbacks of the alternatives and pick the next best choice or you do without it altogether. If this really becomes TV with LTE or not TV, you’ll quickly see how little people truly care. Think back to 2008-2010 and the anti-smartphone p…

Surprisingly many, as market for dumbphones and burners show. You can still buy a dumbphone.

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