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Social media bots often tweet fake health claims about cannabis: study

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Post by JaumeGreen »

Lewton wrote: post #25
0x8BADF00D wrote: post #18

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I have smoked weed heavily in my late 20s, ingested many types of edibles, topicals, etc. I am certainly not as sharp as I used to be. It can cause brain damage indirectly due to changes in your cardiovascular system. It can mimic a temporary sort of vascular dementia, as well as increase your blood pressure to very unsafe levels. Weed can also reduce the amount of grey matter in your orbitofrontal cortex. Not to men…

> in my late 20s > I am certainly not as sharp as I used to be It's called turning 30 :-)

No. At your thirties you can be at least a sharp as in your twenties. One of the main culprits of loss of sharpness is sleep deficit, that usually hits when having a full time job and family. It's not the age, it's the environment.

Re: Social media bots often tweet fake health claims about cannabis: study

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Post by soulofmischief »

Smithalicious wrote: post #120
soulofmischief wrote: post #108

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> Nothing with any scientific rigor. Of course I, like I'm sure everyone else, believe I have a decent "placebo detector" and to that end CBD isn't behaving like a placebo for me. This statement invalidates everything that follows after. Do multiple blind trials with a control substance at varying threshold doses, then you can say whether these "feelings" are from the drug itself. Placebo creates a very real, measura…

Not all text on the internet is meant to be a scientific paper. It's totally valid to claim that something works for you without having to do "multiple blind trials with a control substance at varying threshold dose".

Not when we're discussing the effects of threshold doses vs. placebo. Placebo reactions can easily mimic threshold effects.

Re: Social media bots often tweet fake health claims about cannabis: study

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Post by soulofmischief »

nefitty wrote: post #117
soulofmischief wrote: post #108

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> Nothing with any scientific rigor. Of course I, like I'm sure everyone else, believe I have a decent "placebo detector" and to that end CBD isn't behaving like a placebo for me. This statement invalidates everything that follows after. Do multiple blind trials with a control substance at varying threshold doses, then you can say whether these "feelings" are from the drug itself. Placebo creates a very real, measura…

I understand where you're coming from, but do you expect all people to discount their own experiences because they don't meet some threshold of validity? Humans don't live daily life like that. I think there's value in anecdotal data, especially when presented with the appropriate caveats. Otherwise, is my entire life a sham unless it is backed up by double blind trials?

It's not about the threshold of validity. It's about the threshold dose used, whose psychoactive effects are generally placed at higher doses.

There is no value in anecdotal data when this is something that can be properly measured, especially when it has to do with medical science and people's lives are involved. OP is making bogus, unsubstantiated claims and does not need to be defended.

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Post by soulofmischief »

perl4ever wrote: post #119
soulofmischief wrote: post #108

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> Nothing with any scientific rigor. Of course I, like I'm sure everyone else, believe I have a decent "placebo detector" and to that end CBD isn't behaving like a placebo for me. This statement invalidates everything that follows after. Do multiple blind trials with a control substance at varying threshold doses, then you can say whether these "feelings" are from the drug itself. Placebo creates a very real, measura…

Anybody who believes in the placebo effect is not to be taken seriously. If you think you can measure the placebo effect, what did you use as your control in your double blind study? That is, your control group which did not get a placebo, but believed they were getting a placebo, how exactly did you manage that?

> Anybody who believes in the placebo effect is not to be taken seriously.

Uhhhhhh no, sorry. Anybody who believes placebo is not a real physiological phenomenon is not to be taken seriously, because they have not done their basic homework.

> what did you use as your control in your double blind study?

I didn't do one, because I am not here claiming that 1mg of CBD is enough to feel. The responsibility is on OP, not me. But to answer a hypothetical, what would I use as my control? The same solution I would be placing the CBD in, sans the CBD. It's not hard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo#Mechanisms

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Post by drummer »

IgorPartola wrote: post #118
drummer wrote: post #116

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Kinda difficult to prove and research when the criminal governments of the world make and keep a plant illegal. Yet there are some facts as shown in the above linked video mentioning research at universities in Spain and Israel showing THC kills cancer cells. Evidence of people using it and curing various forms of cancer (brain tumors, lung tumors, etc) are also everywhere on the Internet.

Flat earthers are everywhere on the Internet too. Does that mean the earth is flat? Loads of things kill cancer cells if you expose cancer cells directly to them. Fire, alcohol, radiation, etc. The trick is to expose just the cancer cells to them. I agree that a lot more research could be done, but at this point we know that RSO is about as effective as ethanol at killing cancer. As for the rest of your comment, I do…

I actually have RSO in my fridge this very moment. The guy who made it told me about a little girl he was helping out right now who developed a brain tumor causing her to go blind. He advised her mom to try RSO but she refused initially. After things got worse and she basically had nothing to lose, she decided to give it a shot. After two weeks of small daily dosis, she called my friend at 4am in the morning telling him her daughter stood up by herself to go to the bathroom. She was able to start seeing again. Try that with ethanol.

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Post by scottlocklin »

fortran77 wrote: post #104
scottlocklin wrote: post #71

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Certainly one of the things that gives me the creeps are the CBD quiosques freaking everywhere selling what amounts to CBD weed, CBD lotions, CBD potions, CBD whatever; I've seen them in airports, in tourist locations and in shopping malls. Mostly completely unpatronized, with a sullen presumably CBD anesthetized employee manning the desk. Just for the rent and employees we're talking something like a hundred million…

Israeli spooks, I'm reasonably sure, have better things to do than sell toys in shopping malls, despite this crazy article in the "Telegraph."

Washington Post and NYT as well:

https://web.archive.org/web/20011124022514/https://www.washi...

https://web.archive.org/web/20091229000739/https://www.nytim...

Merry Christmas, obsessive Fortran dude!

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Post by IgorPartola »

drummer wrote: post #125
IgorPartola wrote: post #118

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Flat earthers are everywhere on the Internet too. Does that mean the earth is flat? Loads of things kill cancer cells if you expose cancer cells directly to them. Fire, alcohol, radiation, etc. The trick is to expose just the cancer cells to them. I agree that a lot more research could be done, but at this point we know that RSO is about as effective as ethanol at killing cancer. As for the rest of your comment, I do…

I actually have RSO in my fridge this very moment. The guy who made it told me about a little girl he was helping out right now who developed a brain tumor causing her to go blind. He advised her mom to try RSO but she refused initially. After things got worse and she basically had nothing to lose, she decided to give it a shot. After two weeks of small daily dosis, she called my friend at 4am in the morning telling…

I am not saying it doesn’t work. I am saying it isn’t studied by anyone that anyone should trust. How do you actually know that girl’s change in vision was actually the result of RSO and not some other factor?

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Post by drummer »

IgorPartola wrote: post #127
drummer wrote: post #125

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I actually have RSO in my fridge this very moment. The guy who made it told me about a little girl he was helping out right now who developed a brain tumor causing her to go blind. He advised her mom to try RSO but she refused initially. After things got worse and she basically had nothing to lose, she decided to give it a shot. After two weeks of small daily dosis, she called my friend at 4am in the morning telling…

I am not saying it doesn’t work. I am saying it isn’t studied by anyone that anyone should trust. How do you actually know that girl’s change in vision was actually the result of RSO and not some other factor?

Well I guess it's up to each individual who or what they trust. Personally I trust the researchers mentioned in the video combined with the evidence of people using it and actually getting cured. Not just from stories on the Internet but also from closer at home. I'm also for complete legalization so that research can be done freely so we can get even more confirmation. The fact that it is still illegal is a serious crime against humanity. So much suffering could be prevented and lives saved by something growing freely in nature.

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Post by perl4ever »

soulofmischief wrote: post #124
perl4ever wrote: post #119

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Anybody who believes in the placebo effect is not to be taken seriously. If you think you can measure the placebo effect, what did you use as your control in your double blind study? That is, your control group which did not get a placebo, but believed they were getting a placebo, how exactly did you manage that?

> Anybody who believes in the placebo effect is not to be taken seriously. Uhhhhhh no, sorry. Anybody who believes placebo is not a real physiological phenomenon is not to be taken seriously, because they have not done their basic homework. > what did you use as your control in your double blind study? I didn't do one, because I am not here claiming that 1mg of CBD is enough to feel. The responsibility is on OP, not…

Please don't take me so literally. I understand you didn't do a study on the placebo effect or anything else. I'm asking something that I wish you would seriously consider.

If you only believe in things that are proven through double-blind studies, and you believe the placebo effect objectively exists, then it must be possible to do a double-blind study proving the placebo effect exists.

Have you read about such a thing, or can you imagine such a thing? Do you, if you look again at my previous comment, see any possible logical problem?

I'm questioning your belief structure - I have no particular opinion on CBD, nor do I think controlled studies are useless.

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Post by actuator »

catalogia wrote: post #115
actuator wrote: post #35

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Propogating false health claims doesn't help people either. I can claim that good old whisky is the cure for cold if you are mountaineering in extreme climates, but it certainly isn't going to help anyone.

From what I understand, alcohol hastens the onset of hypothermia but at the same time in some circumstances it may delay the onset of frostbite. The mechanism should be the same in either case, the dilation of blood vessels near the surface of the skin, particularly in the extremities, which leads to more heat transfer between your body and the cold environment. This warms your skin but at the expense of cooling your…

That is an interesting take on it but if you had a source to warm you up, why wouldn't you use the source for frostbite as well.
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