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Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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> Details of what the test involved were vague So we don’t know what exactly they tested. Why is this news, let alone an international one? Also, as far as I understand, what the Russians were officially saying was that they were developing fallback systems for the event if, in another bout of sanctions, Russia gets disconnected from the global internet. Which, given their standing with the international community, m…

I'm not a journalist and I had to leave Russia because of Putin's regime. Maybe I just know more facts, but for every citizen it's clear like day that all this fuzz is about blocking sources of information. Try to search about "FBK Navalnyj" and you'll find more info.

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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> Like e.g. having some government-mandated apps preinstalled on every phone sold here, which is coming into force in some following months. It is the news the exact meaning of which is open to interpretation. Given that those pre-installed apps can be uninstalled, we should at least allow a possibility that rather than being an insidious tactic to spy on users this is simply a clumsy protectionist anti-competitive l…

For starters, where do you see that the apps can be uninstalled? Since when system-installed apps can be removed by a user without rooting or replacing the system? Secondly, pretending that this is an independent event and that the government, Duma, courts and police have a shred of good will after what they were doing for the last ten–twenty years, is so laughable that your insistence on that interpretation is baffl…

> have a shred of good will after what they were doing for the last ten–twenty years

If by the "good will" you mean whether they are earnestly concerned with improving the quality of life of ordinary Russian citizens, then the answer is, most likely not.

But between this and the worst possible interpretation (oh, they must be doing this to allow the FSB easy access into everyone's phones) there are various other possible interpretations, involving various degrees of self-indulgence or maliciousness. Can it be cheap publicity or a symbolic gesture? The first sponsor of the legislation is a member of LDPR, a nationalist party which is obsessed with Russian identity and isolationism. Can it be part of the import substitution project that Russia has been pursuing (largely unsuccessfully, I understand?) since 2014, to loosen its dependency on foreign imports? Can it be a protectionist measure to help otherwise uncompetitive local businesses? I think any of these options is realistic enough to explain the existence of the bill, even without going all the way to regarding it as a covert Kremlin/FSB operation. Which of course it may be, but it is simply too early to tell. I am sure in half a year — or whenever distributors start pre-installing prescribed apps — security experts will let us know whether these apps, besides just being a nuisance, are actually doing something malicious. Then we will have actual facts at our disposal, not just worries and speculations.

Do you remember the much-maligned Yarovaya law from several years back? Has it had any scary practical consequences on the Russian internet?

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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When all that mess with Russia/Ukraine had started the West was openly contemplating disconnecting Russia from the international payment services. That had lead Russia to develop it's own. The Internet is a vital infrastructure element. Leaving the risk of potential disruption to some US congressmen's whims is not a very wise choice. Of course it can be used with bad intentions as well but so can anything else. I thi…

> the West was openly contemplating disconnecting Russia from the international payment services This is a claim made by the Russian government with little actual support as far as I know. It comes up every once in a while when the issue is mentioned, and is usually uncritically accepted.

> In September 2014, the European Parliament urged member states to consider excluding Russia from SWIFT as part of its sanctions.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2015/01/27/russia-to-...

I don't know that statement's veracity, but it seems credible.

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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> in Egypt in 2011 the government famously shut down the internet The news is that they can now isolate their Internet domestically and run a Russia-only WWW. They presumably could have shut it off completely from Day 1.

Are there services Russians use daily that would not be available on a Russia only WWW? The utility of the web isn't the protocols it technology employed; it's the content.

I can't really think of any outside of youtube. There's local search engine (Yandex and some lesser ones), there's local social website (vkontakte). Russians don't talk English well and mostly use Russian websites which are, obviously, mostly hosted inside Russia. Wikipedia is another example, but, funny enough, Russian government wants to develop a curated alternative and already have money to fund it (basically web hosted encyclopedia).

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Rarely mentioned, but Russia also tested the security of their (mobile signal networks) SS7 and Diameter systems Dec 16-17. It never fails to amaze me how little attention is paid to these systems that can track, intercept and hijack the comms of mobile phone users of any country, internationally.

Maybe because it is what they themselves were successful in pwning in the West? It is a long running rumor in Russian internet that Russian spies managed to tap UK politician phones with fake roaming requests in 2016.

The question is, why UK politicians didn't use encryption which is available to ordinary people? Like Signal or even Whatsapp.

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Maybe because it is what they themselves were successful in pwning in the West? It is a long running rumor in Russian internet that Russian spies managed to tap UK politician phones with fake roaming requests in 2016.

The question is, why UK politicians didn't use encryption which is available to ordinary people? Like Signal or even Whatsapp.

Using encrypted VOIP will not do anything about SS7 hacks, as it will be your voice calls and SMSes that get rerouted, and remotely MIMed

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Rarely mentioned, but Russia also tested the security of their (mobile signal networks) SS7 and Diameter systems Dec 16-17. It never fails to amaze me how little attention is paid to these systems that can track, intercept and hijack the comms of mobile phone users of any country, internationally.

How does SS7 and Diameter hijack Signal app?

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question is, why UK politicians didn't use encryption which is available to ordinary people? Like Signal or even Whatsapp.

Using encrypted VOIP will not do anything about SS7 hacks, as it will be your voice calls and SMSes that get rerouted, and remotely MIMed

You did answer, MITM doesn't work for Signal and WhatsApp, correct?
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