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Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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There are very few real reporters left. Most of the articles reek of bias and since Russia is a designated bad country no matter what they do it is evil. I am not really trying to protect Russia here but articles like the one in the title are written for brain dead people. They should go try janitor work instead.

The attack on a difficult profession that already suffers from stigmas is not necessary or welcome.

Really? Not welcome by whom? You do not know what difficult profession is. Try something better. And the reason they suffer from stigmas is their own doing.

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What infrastructure needs to be replicated "locally" for a country to unplug itself yet still have a functioning Internet simulacrum?

Nothing that they don't already have in place with some configuration adjustments. The Internet is just a lot of interconnected routers.

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which is easy to declare without processes as needed, such as during social unrest. . ..

Oh, during a social unrest in Egypt in 2011 the government famously shut down the internet. Didn't help them much :-) I think the main concern of the Russian internet users is to get isolated from the rest of the internet indefinitely during peace time, in a way of China or North Korea. I am not sure we are seeing signs that the Russian government intends to go that far yet.

> in Egypt in 2011 the government famously shut down the internet

The news is that they can now isolate their Internet domestically and run a Russia-only WWW. They presumably could have shut it off completely from Day 1.

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Too bad it’s only a test.

Please don't post nationalistic flamebait to HN. No snarky one-liners either.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: you've been breaking the site guidelines badly and repeatedly lately.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21868444

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21853510

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21864399

If you keep doing this we're going to have to ban you again. I'd rather not, because you've also posted some good comments. Would you mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the spirit of this site more to heart? We're trying to have at least one place on the internet that isn't torn apart and degraded by the usual snark and aggression. If you agree that that's worth having, I'm sure you'll see how we need everyone to do their part to keep it that way.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, during a social unrest in Egypt in 2011 the government famously shut down the internet. Didn't help them much :-) I think the main concern of the Russian internet users is to get isolated from the rest of the internet indefinitely during peace time, in a way of China or North Korea. I am not sure we are seeing signs that the Russian government intends to go that far yet.

> in Egypt in 2011 the government famously shut down the internet The news is that they can now isolate their Internet domestically and run a Russia-only WWW. They presumably could have shut it off completely from Day 1.

Are there services Russians use daily that would not be available on a Russia only WWW?

The utility of the web isn't the protocols it technology employed; it's the content.

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It was the next logical step for Russia after they built their own GPS and their alternative to the World Bank, the BRICS bank. Their biggest enemy has proven that they cannot be trusted and they are the ones who invented the Internet. Anytime they have a disagreement with a nation, they take their ball and go home. Like what they were doing with Huawei. I won't be surprised if China and India are working on the same…

When the world had 5 bullies WW1 and 2 broke out.

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> The Internet is currently the best way to get access to honest, quality journalism Honest, quality journalism is a fantasy. It never existed. Even Benjamin Franklin used his newspaper to influence elections by slandering his political rivals. Not to mention fake news[0]. [0]: https://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/2017/02/even-ben-frankli...

That’s a gross generalization if I ever heard one. Both exist.

Your faith in your religion is touching. You keep believing, no matter the evidence.

Re: Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

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Commentary about the exercises from Russian Telegram channel ЗаТелеком (Following Telecom) [1]. Found through link on Meduza.io

Google Translate with some manual editing for clarity by me.

1: https://t.me/zatelecom

# 1: https://t.me/zatelecom/13046

"I got and decoded some materials from today's meeting of the Ministry of Digital Affairs on the exercises. Something tells me either a closed regime or not closed regime will be announced, but we won’t be able to get access either way. So, feed on some rumors. Let it be rumors from me. After [sunglasses] are my additions, probably mocking, will always follow. Based on what I heard and the slides, I can draw two additional conclusions:

the Internet is impossible to understand and nobody understands what needs testing;

️ THEY'RE CONFUSING the law “on sustainable Runet” and the law “on critical objects of information infrastructure”. These are different laws, each living in its own sandbox, this confusion has been going on since the very beginning of the draft law “on a stable Runet”

️️️ Some slides (for some reason labeled Positive Technologies):

⏰ On December 16 and 17, exercise scenarios were worked out to ensure the stability and integrity of mobile radiotelephone communications for the SS7 and Diameter protocols

All four federal mobile operators participated in the exercises. As part of the exercises, 18 attack scenarios were worked out for each operator - 12 through signal networks 2/3 of the SS7 generation and 6 through signal networks Diameter

️ The attacker was able to successfully carry out 62.5% of attacks through SS7 and 50% through DIameter The average attack detection time was about 2-3 minutes

During the exercise, all scenarios were completed in full. Testing out the scenarios for each operator was about 6 hours. On average, working out one scenario took about 20 minutes. [sunglasses] Grains of corn fried by each curator were eaten about 800 grams each. Drunk 24 liters of coffee. 46.5 kg of cookies consumed

LEARNING RECOMMENDATIONS

To increase the effectiveness of warning, detecting and blocking attacks through signaling networks on the side of the telecom operator, it is necessary to provide:

1️⃣ Attack detection tools through the SS7 and Diameter signaling networks, which will allow timely detection of attacks on individual mobile subscribers and the operator’s infrastructure

2️⃣ Telecommunication equipment settings that prohibit signaling messages that are not used to establish communications between operators, but can be used to conduct attacks on networks of telecom operators

3️⃣ Procedures and security tools that allow you to quickly block ataui through signal networks

4️⃣ Periodic external signaling network security audits

5️⃣ Leave the market if points 1-4 were as unexpected for the operator as for representatives of the Ministry of Digital

CONCLUSIONS ON THE RESULTS OF THE EXERCISES

In the Russian Federation, it is necessary to create a regulatory framework and a unified system for collecting and analytically processing information about attacks through signaling networks on the infrastructure and subscribers of mobile telecom operators, as well as connecting it to the State SOPKA [2/3 slide picture from 4 positions OPERATORS -> UNIFIED SYSTEM -> GASOPOK]

[sunglasses] Also in the Russian Federation, it is necessary to create a regulatory framework, to create a unified system for collecting and analytically processing information about attacks on WordPress and PHPNuke, as well as connecting it to GosSOPKA

[sunglasses] Also in the Russian Federation, it is necessary to create a regulatory framework to create a unified system for collecting and analytical processing of information about attacks on active switches, as well as connecting it to the State SOPKA

[sunglasses] Also in the Russian Federation, it is necessary to create a regulatory framework, to create a unified system for collecting and analytical processing of information about viruses sent to e-mail boxes, as well as connecting it to GosSOPKA"

# 2: https://t.me/zatelecom/13053

"About yesterday's "exercises." Again. Well, because in the morning the calls started again and the cart was breaking. Let me write here once, so I don't have to get up six times.

1. These were no "exercises." The circus that Sokolov arranged in the Ministry of Socks [Ministry of Digital Development, Communications and Mass Media of the Russian Federation ~Editor] is at most an "interagency meeting." Any military man will tell you that "Exercises are combat training activities, where the troops solve tasks on the ground in conditions that are closest to combat, large-scale comprehensive training operations."

And in the ministry they held a MEETING. That's all.

2. Hysterical squirrels rush about the Internet with stories that "everything broke !!! aaaa !!!". Say hello to them. In fact, of course, the two dozen morons sitting in the office could not break anything. First of all, who would let them, the morons, onto real networks?

3. The proof that all those who gathered for the “exercises” are first-class morons was that when they were talking nonsense about the “18 attack scenarios”, nobody laughed. Everyone sat with serious faces and nodded their heads.

I'll explain: "attacks through the SS-7 protocol" is about telephony. Not about the Internet. SS-7 (aka OKS-7) is, roughly speaking, the protocol by which signaling data for dialing is transmitted. The fact that we have not heard for a hundred thousand years that someone “broke the phone number” tells us that the telephone operators are working and the holes (yes, there were holes) were closed. Well, the figure of 62.5% of successful attacks, firstly, tells us that in two-thirds of the calls we could not get through, and secondly - how, tell me, from 12 attacks the figure could be 62.5%? ? Is this a successful attack in 7.5 cases out of 12?

Further, Diameter protocol is likewise not related to the Internet. Google what Diameter is already. Hint: This is a service authorization-authentication-accounting protocol that is used in IMS networks. This applies to mobile communications and IP telephony. To IP-telephony, in short. But not to the internet. Well, half of the successful attacks tell us that these numbers were obtained "at a training ground", which was set up by bungling dumbasses, or simply thought up.

4. I want to remind you that there is no "sovereign runet". It was not built. And the forecast for the "construction" of this crap is 5 years, minimum. Look: for the first year they will only work on a sub-law and write a technical assignment. Then for two more years they will work out the engineering solution. Which will become obsolete exactly at the beginning of implementation. And then they will implement it for another three years - Rostelecom only has seven macro-regions and 79 branches. Just to bring equipment to everyone is already an impossible task for assholes from the offices. And it, equipment, also needs to be installed, commissioning, acceptance, testing, signing of acts ... Well, trust me - RTK can delay projects for decades ... I can say exactly the same thing about other "very large operators" . And it didn’t get into a fucking little thing - imagine a box designed by the morons from the offices.

Therefore, I repeat, any failures on the networks can be justified by anything, but not by “sovereign runet”.

Enough hysteria!"

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