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How Crisco Made Americans Believers in Industrial Food

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Re: How Crisco Made Americans Believers in Industrial Food

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why do you need such shortenings, can't you use the original version of all the shortening... butter? I have never seen "shortenings" in france. pastries is done with butter and that's all.

Depends on the recipe I want to use. Tortillas call for lard, and I don't think butter would be a good substitute on that. (Actually, I think the only reason I have lard/shortening is to make flour tortillas) But you are correct, I would prefer to use butter when I can! EDIT: My parents are also vegan, and I like to cook with them. So I also use it then.

Same here, but butter and ghee can also be used to make great pliable flour tortillas. I use european butter though, YMMV.

Re: How Crisco Made Americans Believers in Industrial Food

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Ghee is quite cheap and easy to make by yourself, so long as you use a good butter. A lot cheaper than the ready made stuff, I’ve found.

I saw that, I may have to try it sometime! Out of curiosity, how much Ghee can you make out of butter (I.e. start with 16 oz of butter, get approx 8 oz? Or how much?)

Looks like about 1 to 1, this recipe[1] cites a 480g yield starting with 500g of butter.

1. https://werecipes.com/how-to-make-ghee-from-butter/

Re: How Crisco Made Americans Believers in Industrial Food

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If you want to find out much more about the history of Crisco and its modern-day incarnation, here is an excellent and informative 10 min video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4IH8-io6Dw As far as I can tell Crisco, while popular in the US, doesn't appear to be widespread or common outside the US.

As far as I can tell Crisco, while popular in the US, doesn't appear to be widespread or common outside the US. Yeah, after looking up many Spanish Christmas cookie recipes, I was surprised that almost all of them use lard. I have too many vegetarian friends for lard to be an option for me. I generally sub butter for lard, but maybe I'll make a private batch of polvorones with lard for myself some time to see if ther…

A lot of traditional cooking and recipes are based on systems. They interconnect with other cooking. So you make one dish or you slaughter one animal or whatever, end up with fat or lard or something as a byproduct, use that to make other dishes. A bunch of stuff ends up in soups or stews, which you don't so much make intentionally as as an accident of other cooking, to stretch out ingredients and use up parts that otherwise aren't so great.

These don't make sense anymore when we don't really stick to regional, seasonal, supply-dependent cooking and can decide to make any damn thing we like at any time, thanks to grocery stores, and simply toss most of the extra bits ("useless" parts of vegetables, bacon fat, et c.) if we don't feel like using it, because the time, space, and technique it takes to use them correctly's not worth it when we can buy a substitute from the store for very little money. Quite likely a well-proportioned substitute of butter for lard doesn't make much difference in the outcome of that recipe, but there was originally a supply-related or place-it-fits-in-a-cuisine-system reason that lard was preferred.

[EDIT] to be clear, the old way of cooking is probably still cheaper in general and certainly less wasteful, but the savings are so marginal relative to the skills, time, and space required that it's totally reasonable that even poorer folks largely don't bother. This kind of thing went beyond just cooking patterns and cuisines, too—animals commonly kept by anyone living even sort-of in the country had a role. Chickens? They'll eat waste, control pest insects, give you eggs, and if you're also breeding them you can slaughter one for food every now and then—the eggs and meat are damn near free, as far as dollars put in past an initial capital investment and some trivial upkeep are concerned, though they do take time & care. Pigs? Even better waste disposals than the chickens, turn garbage into meat and cooking fat. These got much cheaper and more common, but also were removed from their role in the broader food & home-economics ecosystem, when we started farming them on a mass scale and mostly feeding them stuff we grew specifically to feed them.

Re: How Crisco Made Americans Believers in Industrial Food

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So something I saw with shortening now (to include Crisco) is that it now is mainly palm oil, which has been fairly controversial due to deforestation: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/palm-oil-health-imp... I have actually gone to using lard/ghee now for myself instead of shortening. It also seemed to be cheaper as well, to my surprise. I'm curious what other's think? EDIT: I meant lard is cheaper, not Ghee.…

Not only that, but fully hydrogenated oils are supposed to be quite bad for you. I think. It’s really hard to keep current on nutrition debates and “healthy” is a fairly nebulous concept when it comes to food.

Aren't hydrogenated oils just saturated fats?

Re: How Crisco Made Americans Believers in Industrial Food

#45
post #8

The agro-industrial complex in general convinced Americans to buy trademark branded products instead of real food

I'm not convinced that there's a coherent concept of real food. Most real food advocates I've seen are happy to eat, say, tofu. They'll admit that technically it's processed, in the sense that it's industrially manufactured by pulverizing soybeans beyond recognition then adding chemicals to the big holding vats. But people say it's not highly processed, or it hasn't lost the natural essence of soy, or whatever. I jus…

It's OK if there's not a universal definition of every concept. Some things in life are culturally subjective - especially cuisine. However, I think an intelligent person can look at string cheese and say that's fake food.

I've started realizing that there is very little space for nuance and subjectivity in discussing things on HN

Re: How Crisco Made Americans Believers in Industrial Food

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The agro-industrial complex in general convinced Americans to buy trademark branded products instead of real food

What is “real food?” Are sausages, for example, “real food?”

I think it's a spectrum of realness rather than real or not real - I also really dislike the title of this article as it connotes stuff that isn't literally conveyed. Industrially produced food is what nearly all of us eat, our sausages, our kale, our milk... all produced on an industrial scale.

That said, I think I value food that has fewer steps in preparation as being "more real" so I'd prefer something like a meat and onion skillet to beef wellington or a clumped cream chicken pot pie.

Re: How Crisco Made Americans Believers in Industrial Food

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> vegetable oils are hydrogenated As a general statement about vegetable oils, that is super false. You can tell because the oils are liquid at room temperature and hydrogenated oils aren't. Maybe you meant vegetable shortenings?

http://www.ok.org/kosherspirit/winter-2016/what-is-vegetable... this is a random site I googled. Cold pressed olive oil is a relatively safe method is an exception

I'm also confused. That link does not mention hydrogenation at all.

Re: How Crisco Made Americans Believers in Industrial Food

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post #11

So something I saw with shortening now (to include Crisco) is that it now is mainly palm oil, which has been fairly controversial due to deforestation: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/palm-oil-health-imp... I have actually gone to using lard/ghee now for myself instead of shortening. It also seemed to be cheaper as well, to my surprise. I'm curious what other's think? EDIT: I meant lard is cheaper, not Ghee.…

why do you need such shortenings, can't you use the original version of all the shortening... butter? I have never seen "shortenings" in france. pastries is done with butter and that's all.

The original reason for many was that it was believed that saturated fats were uniquely unhealthy, although it turns out that hydrogenated oils were even worse, so, whoops. Cost is also a factor in commercial preparations.

Re: How Crisco Made Americans Believers in Industrial Food

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not convinced that there's a coherent concept of real food. Most real food advocates I've seen are happy to eat, say, tofu. They'll admit that technically it's processed, in the sense that it's industrially manufactured by pulverizing soybeans beyond recognition then adding chemicals to the big holding vats. But people say it's not highly processed, or it hasn't lost the natural essence of soy, or whatever. I jus…

It's OK if there's not a universal definition of every concept. Some things in life are culturally subjective - especially cuisine. However, I think an intelligent person can look at string cheese and say that's fake food. I've started realizing that there is very little space for nuance and subjectivity in discussing things on HN

> However, I think an intelligent person can look at string cheese and say that's fake food.

Why is it any faker than regular cheese? Perhaps I am not as intelligent as I'd like to think.

Re: How Crisco Made Americans Believers in Industrial Food

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post #8

The agro-industrial complex in general convinced Americans to buy trademark branded products instead of real food

You're giving the marketing department way too much credit in my opinion. Pretty much all of these highly processed foods are highly processed in order to reduce cost in some way (e.g. increasing shelf life, decrease storage requirements, use a substitute ingredient, remove the need for some other product, etc). All the finicky bits of producing food (e.g handling ingredients that are much less shelf stable than the…

All makes sense but I'd say that there is also the factor of trying to maximize particular nutritional traits for marketing purposes ("no saturated fat," "no fat," "no sugar added," "no nitrates," whatever).
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