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Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by JCharante » Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 10:56 PM UTC

andreilys wrote: post #23

itg wrote: post #7

Not surprising when phones coming from Chinese brands have on par/better specs for a quarter of the price.

Yes not surprising when Huawei and others have been accused of stealing trade secrets. Why invest in R&D when you can just steal the IP from others? https://www.wsj.com/articles/huaweis-yearslong-rise-is-litte...

Didn't the US "steal" the mechanisms behind the mechanical looms in the 19th century? I understand the concern that if no one is safe to invest in R&D without others immediately copying their tech (and therefore they won't receive a return on investment, which disincentivises future R&D), but aren't some phone manufacturers sitting on giant piles of money from their profit margins (Apple)? At the end of the day you end up with phones with more features being more affordable for the masses.

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by riversflow » Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 11:49 PM UTC

yorwba wrote: post #90

riversflow wrote: post #88

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I couldn’t disagree more. We live on a finite planet with limited resources. It hardly matters what the PPP is if they destroy the oceans we all use. The planet is only capable of sustaining so much. Having more people doesn’t give a nation some sort ethical imperative to have a higher GDP.

That you think China achieving a standard of living like current developed countries wouldn't be sustainable doesn't change anything about the fact that they're still developing. FWIW, polluting water ecosystems is more common in developing countries (because they don't have the money to care about luxuries like environmental protection) and they've been slowly regenerating in developed countries, so from that perspe…

I didn’t say that, but thanks for putting words in my mouth that make this somehow about nationality. I said that achieving a target PPP before expecting some restraint on the environment is a ludicrous goal in the face of the impending environmental cliff. You basically aren’t arguing, but telling me I’m just wrong and then making me out to really be on about keeping China down. Maybe try some intellectual honesty.

My point has everything to do with what the global ecosystem can take, and how much of an impact any nation has on it. As a species we need to figure out how to develop societies and countries without poisoning the planet.

The concept that because a country hasn’t reached PPP with the US it’s developing and can do what it pleases is patently insane. The Earth just doesn’t have the environmental resources for that, it’s already painfully apparent if you aren’t covering your eyes and ears. The human race can’t wait for countries to completely develop to play by the rules. Sucks.

Meanwhile China has demonstrably better infrastructure and more development in terms of cities than the US. I think by a lot of measures the US is still “developing”, we certainly lack the rail infrastructure of other “developed” countries for example, and our cities lack the dense, efficient urban cores of highly developed old world.

To boil my argument down, if China can build an extensive high speed rail network and capture the global electronics and PV markets they’ve moved beyond a “developing” economy, regardless of how well off or not the majority of their populace is.

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by bhouston » Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 12:04 AM UTC

remir wrote: post #82

bhouston wrote: post #2

So the US sanctions on Huawei, that were intended to be crippling and were fairly abrupt and harsh, had only a minor effect on Huawei. That should scare the shit out of the US government. It means that China is much more self-sufficient in technology than they figured. The future of high technology at this time does seem to be in the hands of China with the rest of the world contributing a bit. I suspect OSes and arc…

The future of high technology at this time does seem to be in the hands of China with the rest of the world contributing a bit. I highly doubt this. So far, what China has done is producing lower cost equivalent to products already developed by other nations. I don't see how China is leading the pack in terms of innovation, here. Beside, I don't think we can consider smart phones to be "high technology" anymore. The…

I have heard this refrain from those in the west for decades about china. During those two decades China has exceeded every attempt to keep them at a certain level of development.

I do not see that stopping.

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by remir » Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 12:23 AM UTC

bhouston wrote: post #93

remir wrote: post #82

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The future of high technology at this time does seem to be in the hands of China with the rest of the world contributing a bit. I highly doubt this. So far, what China has done is producing lower cost equivalent to products already developed by other nations. I don't see how China is leading the pack in terms of innovation, here. Beside, I don't think we can consider smart phones to be "high technology" anymore. The…

I have heard this refrain from those in the west for decades about china. During those two decades China has exceeded every attempt to keep them at a certain level of development. I do not see that stopping.

When China will invent game changing technology that benefit the world in a massive way, then we'll be able to say they're leaders.

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by akmarinov » Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 9:00 AM UTC

aianus wrote: post #75

akmarinov wrote: post #51

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They do it do differentiate their phones. If all phones look the same and basically have the same hardware - why bother buying Samsung, when a cheap Oppo is the exact same phone? Then Samsung won't make lots of money. This way you can have Samsung fanboys that'll swear that Samsung stuff is better and will keep buying it.

> If all phones look the same and basically have the same hardware - why bother buying Samsung, when a cheap Oppo is the exact same phone? Because Samsung is made outside of China and will not be tariffed.

Countries outside of the US exist.

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by akmarinov » Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 9:02 AM UTC

_trampeltier wrote: post #64

akmarinov wrote: post #51

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They do it do differentiate their phones. If all phones look the same and basically have the same hardware - why bother buying Samsung, when a cheap Oppo is the exact same phone? Then Samsung won't make lots of money. This way you can have Samsung fanboys that'll swear that Samsung stuff is better and will keep buying it.

Wrong. I buy the Samsung Notebecause it has a pen. And I also hate all the Samsung Android Addons.

There are other manufacturers that so pens as well...

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by Iwan-Zotow » Sun, Dec 22, 2019, 4:13 AM UTC

innocentoldguy wrote: post #65

Iwan-Zotow wrote: post #56

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"Why do vendors like Samsung make their ugly buggy shells and pre-install software I don't need? Do they think they have better designers and developers that Google has?" They have to be VALUE provider, not just maker a rather common and brick-looking gadget

Does TouchWiz == value though? I don't find that to be the case.

Samsung still sold for some premium relative to chinese competition - thus, what they provided as a package has (maybe perceived) value

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by dep_b » Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 6:25 PM UTC

eloff wrote: post #44

dep_b wrote: post #26

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Good info. Still I think that they're not making a lot of money and the market's contracting too. Looks a bit like the situation with laptops about 10 years ago. They were dirt cheap and abundant. --- edit --- https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/12/19/apple-earned-66-o... 66% to Apple, 17% to Samsung and the rest is fighting for the scraps. Which is actually better than a while ago where Apple + Samsung > 100% becau…

When people ask me if they should buy Apple, I tell them it's overpriced for the hardware you get. Your linked article proves my point quite nicely. But then I follow that up with the value is in the software, if you like/are familiar with Apple software, then buy Apple despite the cost. I prefer Android and Linux, so I avoid Apple products for myself.

> it's overpriced for the hardware you get.

That's only a problem when you view a product as just a bunch of discrete parts' summed value. A MacBook Pro is a macOS dongle that also happens to be one of the - if not the - best ultrabooks you can get.