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Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by dsypa »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #62
codedokode wrote: post #48

The good things in Chinese smartphones are their price and that they sometimes have clean Android version without bloatware. Why do vendors like Samsung make their ugly buggy shells and pre-install software I don't need? Do they think they have better designers and developers that Google has? They are horribly wrong. Stop pretending that you are making something unique and maybe I will consider buying a non-chinese p…

If you want a bloat-free phone that doesn't cost an arm and a leg, at Android One phones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_One

My experience with Android One phones from Xiaomi is that they have no bloat when they are released (probably because they have to have no bloat for them to be certified by Google) but then they keep sneaking bloat with every little update they make.

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Post by remir »

bhouston wrote: post #2

So the US sanctions on Huawei, that were intended to be crippling and were fairly abrupt and harsh, had only a minor effect on Huawei. That should scare the shit out of the US government. It means that China is much more self-sufficient in technology than they figured. The future of high technology at this time does seem to be in the hands of China with the rest of the world contributing a bit. I suspect OSes and arc…

The future of high technology at this time does seem to be in the hands of China with the rest of the world contributing a bit.

I highly doubt this. So far, what China has done is producing lower cost equivalent to products already developed by other nations. I don't see how China is leading the pack in terms of innovation, here.

Beside, I don't think we can consider smart phones to be "high technology" anymore. The market is saturated with them and the innovation has slowed down massively since a couple of years ago.

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by yorwba »

jandrese wrote: post #47
ChrisSD wrote: post #14

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Huawei have long done good phones in the roughly £100 to £200 range. They tend to be arguably the best hardware for their price. But as mentioned, the software isn't perfect so you'll either need to put up with some annoyances or be willing to hack around it.

How is the Cyanogen/LineageOS coverage on Huawei? It seems like if you want updates after a couple of years you'd best make sure your phone isn't locked out from aftermarket ROMs.

LineageOS supports 5 different Huawei devices: https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/#huawei

The last time I bought a phone, I consulted that list first and compared all recent entries without fixating on a specific manufacturer. I ended up with a Xiaomi Mi A1 that's been holding up well so far and already went through one major Android update without problem.

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Post by yorwba »

riversflow wrote: post #73
ASalazarMX wrote: post #42

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Would you expect any developing country to not take advantage advantage in the same situation? At a state level, it would be stupid to attract manufacturing with cheap labor, materials, lax ambient laws and low taxes and not copy the technology. Only an inept government would willingly stall the development of its own country to honorably respect those trade secrets. Everybody doing business with China knew, but the…

“Developing”. They are the #2 economy.

It doesn't make sense to look at the absolute size of an economy to determine development status. A country full of subsistence farmers can be #1 economy if they're numerous enough. China's GDP per capita (PPP) is still less than a third of that of the US, somewhere between Azerbaijan and the Dominican Republic.

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Post by criddell »

igravious wrote: post #67
criddell wrote: post #57

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Does Huawei need to make money to survive?

October 16, 2019: “ Huawei announced on Tuesday its revenue hit 611 billion yuan, approximately $86 billion, for the third quarter, a jump of 24.4% over the same period last year. In a statement short on numbers, the company also said its net profit margin for the period was 8.7%. The company added its smartphone business had shipped 185 million units over the three quarters for the year to date, an increase of 26% y…

Do you know what accounting standards those numbers are based on?

I suspect they could run large losses for a long time because their value to China isn't entirely contained in their P&L statement.

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by BoorishBears »

afjl wrote: post #66
BoorishBears wrote: post #38

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It's not overly insulting. The phones both Samsung and Huawei sell in BRIC and African markets are very different than what Americans are seeing from both, and I wouldn't be surprised if those phones make up a large bulk of their profits on Android.

But at least BRIC/African-market phones are still full-size, real legitimate phones. The parent comment compared Lego wheels to Michelin wheels.

It's obviously hyperbole.

There can ocean in terms of specs between the lowest end phones they sell here vs models they only sell in other countries.

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by rotten »

rotten wrote: post #9

LA Time article on Huawei that came out this week with lots of background on the sanctions and issues with their technology: https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fg-huawei-timeline/

I work for Finite State, one of the companies mentioned in that article.

Here is more information on that report: https://finitestate.io/2019/06/26/report-finds-cybersecurity....

And here is a video of our CEO talking more about it: https://finitestate.io/2019/10/03/security-weekly-podcast

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by riversflow »

yorwba wrote: post #84
riversflow wrote: post #73

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“Developing”. They are the #2 economy.

It doesn't make sense to look at the absolute size of an economy to determine development status. A country full of subsistence farmers can be #1 economy if they're numerous enough. China's GDP per capita (PPP) is still less than a third of that of the US, somewhere between Azerbaijan and the Dominican Republic.

I couldn’t disagree more. We live on a finite planet with limited resources. It hardly matters what the PPP is if they destroy the oceans we all use. The planet is only capable of sustaining so much. Having more people doesn’t give a nation some sort ethical imperative to have a higher GDP.

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by TheAdamAndChe »

dsypa wrote: post #81
TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #62

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If you want a bloat-free phone that doesn't cost an arm and a leg, at Android One phones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_One

My experience with Android One phones from Xiaomi is that they have no bloat when they are released (probably because they have to have no bloat for them to be certified by Google) but then they keep sneaking bloat with every little update they make.

I have a Nokia 6.1 and my wife has a Nokia 7.?, and this has not been my experience. We've had no bloat, it's been great.

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by yorwba »

riversflow wrote: post #88
yorwba wrote: post #84

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It doesn't make sense to look at the absolute size of an economy to determine development status. A country full of subsistence farmers can be #1 economy if they're numerous enough. China's GDP per capita (PPP) is still less than a third of that of the US, somewhere between Azerbaijan and the Dominican Republic.

I couldn’t disagree more. We live on a finite planet with limited resources. It hardly matters what the PPP is if they destroy the oceans we all use. The planet is only capable of sustaining so much. Having more people doesn’t give a nation some sort ethical imperative to have a higher GDP.

That you think China achieving a standard of living like current developed countries wouldn't be sustainable doesn't change anything about the fact that they're still developing.

FWIW, polluting water ecosystems is more common in developing countries (because they don't have the money to care about luxuries like environmental protection) and they've been slowly regenerating in developed countries, so from that perspective you should hope for China to become developed faster rather than slower.

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