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Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by AngeloAnolin »

phreack wrote: post #55
baybal2 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Chinese brands have almost 50% global market share. You can say that Chinese phones have 90%+ of global market. Samsung still manufactures in China, it just closed its own factories there. OEMs and CMs took over manufacturing for them. Only their cheapest models are made in Hanoi and Seremban. Some of their domestic market models are still made in Gumi.

Do you know of any phones that are 0% Chinese?

Hard to give an answer for this type of question. Do you mean to say, like the device altogether with the parts that make up the phone isn't China sourced? Or do you mean to say the device is from a non Chinese company and is manufactured outside China? The answer could be a big NO as China sourced parts or process are involved in pretty much everything that the world consumes in this age.

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by TheAdamAndChe »

codedokode wrote: post #48

The good things in Chinese smartphones are their price and that they sometimes have clean Android version without bloatware. Why do vendors like Samsung make their ugly buggy shells and pre-install software I don't need? Do they think they have better designers and developers that Google has? They are horribly wrong. Stop pretending that you are making something unique and maybe I will consider buying a non-chinese p…

If you want a bloat-free phone that doesn't cost an arm and a leg, at Android One phones.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_One

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by kube-system »

bhouston wrote: post #2

So the US sanctions on Huawei, that were intended to be crippling and were fairly abrupt and harsh, had only a minor effect on Huawei. That should scare the shit out of the US government. It means that China is much more self-sufficient in technology than they figured. The future of high technology at this time does seem to be in the hands of China with the rest of the world contributing a bit. I suspect OSes and arc…

The US government was never primarily concerned about handsets sales or technical superiority.

The primary issue has always been a concern of supply-chain governance for critical infrastructure, i.e. carriers networks. The US doesn't have any of these concerns about European 5G equipment manufacturers because they are close allies. The US has a high degree of confidence that the governments of Sweden and Finland aren't going to pressure Nokia or Ericsson to compromise the support or supply-chain of US 5G infrastructure.

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Post by _trampeltier »

akmarinov wrote: post #51
codedokode wrote: post #48

The good things in Chinese smartphones are their price and that they sometimes have clean Android version without bloatware. Why do vendors like Samsung make their ugly buggy shells and pre-install software I don't need? Do they think they have better designers and developers that Google has? They are horribly wrong. Stop pretending that you are making something unique and maybe I will consider buying a non-chinese p…

They do it do differentiate their phones. If all phones look the same and basically have the same hardware - why bother buying Samsung, when a cheap Oppo is the exact same phone? Then Samsung won't make lots of money. This way you can have Samsung fanboys that'll swear that Samsung stuff is better and will keep buying it.

Wrong. I buy the Samsung Notebecause it has a pen. And I also hate all the Samsung Android Addons.

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Post by innocentoldguy »

Iwan-Zotow wrote: post #56
codedokode wrote: post #48

The good things in Chinese smartphones are their price and that they sometimes have clean Android version without bloatware. Why do vendors like Samsung make their ugly buggy shells and pre-install software I don't need? Do they think they have better designers and developers that Google has? They are horribly wrong. Stop pretending that you are making something unique and maybe I will consider buying a non-chinese p…

"Why do vendors like Samsung make their ugly buggy shells and pre-install software I don't need? Do they think they have better designers and developers that Google has?" They have to be VALUE provider, not just maker a rather common and brick-looking gadget

Does TouchWiz == value though? I don't find that to be the case.

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Post by afjl »

BoorishBears wrote: post #38
davidy123 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a very clever but insulting comparison. iPhone and Android (and etc) are both clearly smartphones with the same general features. I have to use an iPhone for work. I try to get the most out of it, but am constantly surprised how primitive and clunky it is compared to the Android experience.

It's not overly insulting. The phones both Samsung and Huawei sell in BRIC and African markets are very different than what Americans are seeing from both, and I wouldn't be surprised if those phones make up a large bulk of their profits on Android.

But at least BRIC/African-market phones are still full-size, real legitimate phones. The parent comment compared Lego wheels to Michelin wheels.

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Post by igravious »

criddell wrote: post #57
dep_b wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good info. Still I think that they're not making a lot of money and the market's contracting too. Looks a bit like the situation with laptops about 10 years ago. They were dirt cheap and abundant. --- edit --- https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/12/19/apple-earned-66-o... 66% to Apple, 17% to Samsung and the rest is fighting for the scraps. Which is actually better than a while ago where Apple + Samsung > 100% becau…

Does Huawei need to make money to survive?

October 16, 2019:

“ Huawei announced on Tuesday its revenue hit 611 billion yuan, approximately $86 billion, for the third quarter, a jump of 24.4% over the same period last year.

In a statement short on numbers, the company also said its net profit margin for the period was 8.7%.

The company added its smartphone business had shipped 185 million units over the three quarters for the year to date, an increase of 26% year on year.

On 5G, the company said it had signed 60 commercial contracts and shipped over 400,000 5G Massive MIMO antennas. ”

https://www.zdnet.com/article/huawei-revenue-up-by-almost-on...

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by riku_iki »

Nokinside wrote: post #10

According to Counterpoint Research Samsung is #1, Second is BBK Electronics with 20% of the global smartphone market and is close to becoming the largest manufacturer in the near future. Brand comparisons ignore BBK Electronics because they sell multiple brands: One Plus, Oppo, Vivo and Realme. Huawei is ahead of Apple because Huawei sells also HONOR branded smartphones. 2019Q3 Samsung 21% (*BBK 20%) Huawei 18% Apple…

> Chinese brands have almost 50% global market share.

if I read it correctly, they counted number of units sold, and not actual sales amount in USD.

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by innocentoldguy »

davidy123 wrote: post #20
adriantam wrote: post #15

Lego is the world's No 1 wheel maker. Michelin is far behind Lego in counts. But when you need a wheel for your car, you look for Michelin. Same here. Huawei phone and Apple phone are for different market. You shouldn't compare like that.

That's a very clever but insulting comparison. iPhone and Android (and etc) are both clearly smartphones with the same general features. I have to use an iPhone for work. I try to get the most out of it, but am constantly surprised how primitive and clunky it is compared to the Android experience.

Regarding Apple vs. Android, I have no interest in "tweaking" my phone. I used to like tweaking things when I was in my 20s and 30s and satisfied that need by hacking on Linux. I may have loved Android back then. Nowadays, I just want to finish what I need to get done as quickly as possible and spend all my free time with my family. Tweaking anything is a waste of time for me and I don't want to do it at any level. So, I ditched Linux for macOS and my Samsung phones for iOS. Both work exceptionally well for me and my purposes. I'm glad you found something that works for you.

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bhouston wrote: post #2

So the US sanctions on Huawei, that were intended to be crippling and were fairly abrupt and harsh, had only a minor effect on Huawei. That should scare the shit out of the US government. It means that China is much more self-sufficient in technology than they figured. The future of high technology at this time does seem to be in the hands of China with the rest of the world contributing a bit. I suspect OSes and arc…

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