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Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by akmarinov »

codedokode wrote: post #48

The good things in Chinese smartphones are their price and that they sometimes have clean Android version without bloatware. Why do vendors like Samsung make their ugly buggy shells and pre-install software I don't need? Do they think they have better designers and developers that Google has? They are horribly wrong. Stop pretending that you are making something unique and maybe I will consider buying a non-chinese p…

They do it do differentiate their phones. If all phones look the same and basically have the same hardware - why bother buying Samsung, when a cheap Oppo is the exact same phone?

Then Samsung won't make lots of money. This way you can have Samsung fanboys that'll swear that Samsung stuff is better and will keep buying it.

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Post by baybal2 »

Nokinside wrote: post #10

According to Counterpoint Research Samsung is #1, Second is BBK Electronics with 20% of the global smartphone market and is close to becoming the largest manufacturer in the near future. Brand comparisons ignore BBK Electronics because they sell multiple brands: One Plus, Oppo, Vivo and Realme. Huawei is ahead of Apple because Huawei sells also HONOR branded smartphones. 2019Q3 Samsung 21% (*BBK 20%) Huawei 18% Apple…

> Chinese brands have almost 50% global market share.

You can say that Chinese phones have 90%+ of global market.

Samsung still manufactures in China, it just closed its own factories there. OEMs and CMs took over manufacturing for them.

Only their cheapest models are made in Hanoi and Seremban. Some of their domestic market models are still made in Gumi.

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by lotsofpulp »

eloff wrote: post #44
dep_b wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good info. Still I think that they're not making a lot of money and the market's contracting too. Looks a bit like the situation with laptops about 10 years ago. They were dirt cheap and abundant. --- edit --- https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/12/19/apple-earned-66-o... 66% to Apple, 17% to Samsung and the rest is fighting for the scraps. Which is actually better than a while ago where Apple + Samsung > 100% becau…

When people ask me if they should buy Apple, I tell them it's overpriced for the hardware you get. Your linked article proves my point quite nicely. But then I follow that up with the value is in the software, if you like/are familiar with Apple software, then buy Apple despite the cost. I prefer Android and Linux, so I avoid Apple products for myself.

The value is the fact that anyone can click on anything in iOS and not have to worry about malware or anything other than restarting the phone. Yes, the functionality may be limited, but my mom was never going to use the extra functions.

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by davidy123 »

have_faith wrote: post #25
davidy123 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a very clever but insulting comparison. iPhone and Android (and etc) are both clearly smartphones with the same general features. I have to use an iPhone for work. I try to get the most out of it, but am constantly surprised how primitive and clunky it is compared to the Android experience.

This is the exact experience I have as an iPhone user using Android. Perhaps a difference in requirements and expectations.

What I mean is, excluding add-ons (especially Google ones), the default mail program, photo managing, synchronization, smart assistant, as well as small but important features like being able to search in settings all seem so much less developed. Apple has been ahead of Android in some cases, and takes a safer path, but especially having to use a locked-down iPhone (we have Android-based Samsung as an option, but I like to contrast) I'm constantly surprised at the experience.

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Post by phreack »

baybal2 wrote: post #52
Nokinside wrote: post #10

According to Counterpoint Research Samsung is #1, Second is BBK Electronics with 20% of the global smartphone market and is close to becoming the largest manufacturer in the near future. Brand comparisons ignore BBK Electronics because they sell multiple brands: One Plus, Oppo, Vivo and Realme. Huawei is ahead of Apple because Huawei sells also HONOR branded smartphones. 2019Q3 Samsung 21% (*BBK 20%) Huawei 18% Apple…

> Chinese brands have almost 50% global market share. You can say that Chinese phones have 90%+ of global market. Samsung still manufactures in China, it just closed its own factories there. OEMs and CMs took over manufacturing for them. Only their cheapest models are made in Hanoi and Seremban. Some of their domestic market models are still made in Gumi.

Do you know of any phones that are 0% Chinese?

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by Iwan-Zotow »

codedokode wrote: post #48

The good things in Chinese smartphones are their price and that they sometimes have clean Android version without bloatware. Why do vendors like Samsung make their ugly buggy shells and pre-install software I don't need? Do they think they have better designers and developers that Google has? They are horribly wrong. Stop pretending that you are making something unique and maybe I will consider buying a non-chinese p…

"Why do vendors like Samsung make their ugly buggy shells and pre-install software I don't need? Do they think they have better designers and developers that Google has?" They have to be VALUE provider, not just maker a rather common and brick-looking gadget

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Post by criddell »

dep_b wrote: post #26
Nokinside wrote: post #10

According to Counterpoint Research Samsung is #1, Second is BBK Electronics with 20% of the global smartphone market and is close to becoming the largest manufacturer in the near future. Brand comparisons ignore BBK Electronics because they sell multiple brands: One Plus, Oppo, Vivo and Realme. Huawei is ahead of Apple because Huawei sells also HONOR branded smartphones. 2019Q3 Samsung 21% (*BBK 20%) Huawei 18% Apple…

Good info. Still I think that they're not making a lot of money and the market's contracting too. Looks a bit like the situation with laptops about 10 years ago. They were dirt cheap and abundant. --- edit --- https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/12/19/apple-earned-66-o... 66% to Apple, 17% to Samsung and the rest is fighting for the scraps. Which is actually better than a while ago where Apple + Samsung > 100% becau…

Does Huawei need to make money to survive?

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by cjblomqvist »

Nokinside wrote: post #10

According to Counterpoint Research Samsung is #1, Second is BBK Electronics with 20% of the global smartphone market and is close to becoming the largest manufacturer in the near future. Brand comparisons ignore BBK Electronics because they sell multiple brands: One Plus, Oppo, Vivo and Realme. Huawei is ahead of Apple because Huawei sells also HONOR branded smartphones. 2019Q3 Samsung 21% (*BBK 20%) Huawei 18% Apple…

Let's not forget that China also is ~40% of the market.

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Post by kube-system »

spamizbad wrote: post #43
ses1984 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought the sanctions on Huawei were about stopping the penetration of Chinese devices into American networks and businesses for security reasons.

That might have been one of the stated reasons. But I think it was protect the profit margins of several well-connected US Manufacturers notorious for expensive, high margin equipment.

If that were the case, wouldn't Ericsson and Nokia also be on the naughty list?

Re: Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 phone maker

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Post by criddell »

itg wrote: post #7

Not surprising when phones coming from Chinese brands have on par/better specs for a quarter of the price.

Who buys phones by their specs? I'm guessing most people have no idea even how much RAM is in their phone.

I bought a Pixel because it's from Google so it gets security patches and has a decent camera.

I've always wondered why none of these Chinese companies have tried to make something as good as an iPad. I had one of the venerable Nexus 7 tablets a long time ago and since then all the iPad competitors, with the exception of Amazon, haven't basically given up. I have a 10.5" iPad Pro and it's probably my favorite computer to use.

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