Synchronous Messaging at Mozilla: The Decision

Post by hu3 » Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 12:40 AM UTC

dbrgn wrote: post #16

dzypa wrote: post #8

Daily reminder that Rust uses Discord, a closed source piece of software with draconian privacy and data retention terms. Steve Klabnik will predictably reply to me saying that it was the decision of the community and blah blah, but the Mozilla Corporation should not have allowed it.

While I'm not happy with Discord either: Mozilla does not own Rust in any way, so they cannot decide what communication tool the Rust community uses.

Post by saagarjha » Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 12:43 AM UTC

swiley wrote: post #19

rtpg wrote: post #12

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Seriously, I feel like it’s such an indictment on native app tool development that we have a bazillion new electron apps written by ppl all the time for weekend projects yet almost no one spitting out native apps to interface with services. It’s clearly in demand (if a bit of a niche kind of demand)

Native development on OSX and iOS both kind of suck unless you completely embrace objective C and coaca. I think that’s what’s turned so many people off to it. It’s comparatively easy to write complex portable applications with tk (or even just strait win32 and whichever X11 widget toolkit is your favorite.)

Post by steveklabnik » Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 12:44 AM UTC

hu3 wrote: post #211

dbrgn wrote: post #16

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While I'm not happy with Discord either: Mozilla does not own Rust in any way, so they cannot decide what communication tool the Rust community uses.

Every fulltime Rust developer is paid by Mozilla. Saying Rust development isn't owned by Mozilla is more laughable than saying Go development isn't owned by Google.

Post by Arathorn » Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 12:53 AM UTC

boring_twenties wrote: post #209

Arathorn wrote: post #205

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I guess we just prioritised working on cross-signing etc rather than adding in UI for this. Sorry; it's an oversight.

Thank you for your quick and patient answers to my perhaps too demanding questions. Cross-signing is obviously better, no question about that. However this simple UI change would be at least 95% as good, and certainly good enough to have prevented my friends from giving up on Riot. I hope that is at least somewhat constructive. Thank you for your work.

Post by jeltz » Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 1:05 AM UTC

kethinov wrote: post #196

boring_twenties wrote: post #172

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After spending several months convincing a few friends to use Riot, the ongoing fiasco with E2E has caused all of them to leave within a couple of days. Obviously they're unlikely to ever come back. It's a real shame. These are technical people who don't particularly mind verifying a key by hand. In fact I personally even prefer it. The problem is not only that certain things are not done automatically, but that the…

> Obviously they're unlikely to ever come back. I recognize this is a common attitude, but it makes no sense to me. Some software you tried today isn't designed in a way you prefer, so you go back to using something else. Okay. Makes sense. But to declare the whole project forever hopeless as if it can never be improved upon because the snapshot of your first experience with it was negative is truly irrational.