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Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Re: Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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if you can legalize adult sex work there stands a good chance the trafficking side would decrease as there would be a legal outlet.

Working in a nail salon is legal, but that doesn't stop them from employing trafficked workers.

Yes but is your solution to make nail salons illegal?

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As an occasional consumer of sex work, here is the reality: yes, It’s more dangerous now for both parties, but much more so for the women. The labor supply has gone down sharply because the economics went upside down. If you can’t count on as many clients per day the fixed cost of the hotel room becomes harder to risk so many girls exited the market. Prices have gone up sharply. The kind of girls that were charging $…

Just to satisfy my own curiosity, what is your use case for paying for sex? Married? High powered executive? I can't imagine paying for something that is easily free on a million different dating apps.

I am GP. I’d liken it to the difference between cooking and going to a restaurant. There are benefits to both. I do date and I do enjoy it. But sometimes I want something specific, just the way I like it. If I just want a 5’7” redhead with larger than C cup breasts tonight, I can have it. That’s not what dating is like. Recently after hearing a lot about “eating ass” I wanted to know what it felt like. I texted an agency owner I know and asked her if she had someone willing, and was literally having my ass eaten the next day. Try texting a girl on Tinder “will you lick my asshole?” (Don’t.)

And just like there’s something great about finishing a meal and knowing there is no cleanup to do, it’s great sometimes to have a hot girl open her door, set your eyes on her for the first time, and know that with 100% certainty you’ll be having sex with her in ten minutes. The cost is high, so I can’t indulge every week, but I end up doing about once a month.

This is all with women over 30 years old, totally consensual, so there are no ethical concerns for me. Sure they wouldn’t be doing it for free, but that’s true of anyone in any job.

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A lot of people argue that "consensual murder" (a.k.a. euthanasia ) should be legal (with the appropriate safeguards to prevent abuse). Edit: Actually I retract this comment. You bring an interesting point, and shouldn't be downvoted. I guess the argument "to prevent abuse" includes "to prevent people from exchanging their lives for money". And you could say the same for sex - people should be able to choose to have…

Euthanasia doesn't fit the description of consensual murder. I'm not sure how ... I guess euthanasia is more of a medical procedure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensual_homicide

Freezing of patient for far future is medical procedure (with very little chance of success). Euthanasia is suicide done because of necessity. Result is same in both cases — patient is dead and suffering no pain, but they are very different procedures because freezing leaves room for hope, while euthanasia doesn't.

Re: Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Just to satisfy my own curiosity, what is your use case for paying for sex? Married? High powered executive? I can't imagine paying for something that is easily free on a million different dating apps.

I am GP. I’d liken it to the difference between cooking and going to a restaurant. There are benefits to both. I do date and I do enjoy it. But sometimes I want something specific, just the way I like it. If I just want a 5’7” redhead with larger than C cup breasts tonight, I can have it. That’s not what dating is like. Recently after hearing a lot about “eating ass” I wanted to know what it felt like. I texted an ag…

Thank you for the honest response, this is exactly what I was looking for. It makes sense now for those type of use cases. My train of thought was going only down the avenue of desperation.

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Truly voluntary prostitution isn't the same as murder, rape, or kidnapping. People have to work to survive. Some people make so little at work that if they lost that job, they'd be homeless or suffer other harm. And, most people would rather not be at work. Companies often provide this work. Are workers slaves? Are companies exploiting workers? If that type of worker-company relationship is morally permissible, then…

the metric I use is mutually consenting? Do both parties consent to the agreement? Then it should be legal. Do I consent to trade XXX for YYY with a company or other individual? Does the company/individual consent to trade YYY for XXX? I don't consent to murder, rape, or kidnapping of myself, nor do I consent to do those to others.

Unfortunately this doesn't take into account some nuances. For example: A homeless, jobless woman who engages in acts of prostitution simply to eat is consenting technically, but most would say this situation shouldn't exist. But marriages do happen all the time for economic reasons...

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Coal miners sell their body for their job too. There are plenty of jobs that will destroy your body but pay better than average for your skill level. At the end of the day when an adult makes the decision to do a particular job because it pays better than the alternative we can't automatically count them as a "victim". It robs people of their agency and infantilizes them.

Worker unions constantly pushing laws to improve working conditions of workers, so they will not need to sell their health. BTW: will you suck me for $50? I'm looking for a contractor.

As a fully empowered adult I feel comfortable telling you to fuck off.

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The article paints a sad picture ...although your conclusion seems far fetched. Even marriage can be made into paid rape by the wordings of that article. AFAIK ... decriminalization allows for 1. The sex worker to approach authorities without any fear of prosecution. 2. To set up freelance sex work without pimps and brothels. There shouldn't be a debate about this. Criminalization makes things worse at the expense of…

Nothing you said is a rebuttal to my previous comment. Please argue with sources or it's just your opinion, and it's irrelevant as it doesn't answer the question of whether "legalizing" sex work decreases sex trafficking. It clearly does not according to my sources.

Both buying and selling sex should be legal. The decriminalization of nordic model still fines buyers and stigmatizes it.

My views are largely shaped by the sex worker in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DZfUzxZ2VU

Criminalizing doesn't even offer protection for the sex worker. I'd rather argue about that than having some debate on numbers.

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Stamping out murder only has pushed it underground! Stamping out rape has only pushed it underground! Stamping out kidnapping has only pushed it underground! I long for the day all of these practices can be legalized and done safely and in the open!

Murdering of idiots is beneficial for society! Let's make it legal. We can't stop wars anyway.

While we are at if, why not get rid of all laws? Then everything is legal and crime will drop to zero!

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What is sad is that there are a lot of real-size social experiments in various countries that have a variety of legislation and situation and a ton of literature to guide policy there. I have (like everybody) some opinions on how sex should work and what limits paid sex should have. I'll just say that: My preferences are totally irrelevant and should be dismissed if they have any chance of increasing human traffickin…

> My preferences are totally irrelevant and should be dismissed if they have any chance of increasing human trafficking.

"Any chance" is an absurd standard. Consider what a country would look like if you said that personal preferences should be dismissed if it had any chance of increasing murder. Get comfortable eating your steak with your teeth since the presence of knives has a non-zero chance of increasing murder!

Re: Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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I'm not defending it, but just to educate you: "easily free" is as far from the truth as it could be. The reality is: Spend hours picking photos and putting together a profile. Now for each person you have sex with, imagine you spent another 5 hours swiping, yet another 5 hours getting maybe 20 conversations going, which turn into 5 actual first dates (budget 5 hours each for prep, transportation, cancelling and resc…

Have you ever tried being really really ridiculously good looking?

Yeah, commenter you're responding to is basically saying "to get a coding job, you'll need to look through dozens of job sites, prepare for interviews, fail a bunch, keep up-to-date on your skills, take informational interviews, and heavily work personal connections."

Unless you're a standout prodigy, in which case people will message your LinkedIn begging you to consider interviewing for six-figure positions.

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