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Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Post by 0xcde4c3db »

overcast wrote: post #184
jandrese wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be too mean here, but perhaps the OP doesn't have an easy time finding willing partners in the traditional dating scene. Maybe they have the kind of look that makes women swipe left.

It's possible, but in my experience, there is someone for everyone. I suppose if the goal is to hit way above your weight, paying makes sense. Money does seem to have that effect on women. But if you have that much, you should be able to pull it easily without prostitution?

There's a huge gap between making enough money to pay a sex worker from time to time and social-status "money".

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Post by wallace_f »

irrational wrote: post #185
wallace_f wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My intended meaning was that it is puzzling why Americans ostensibly tolerate policies which eliminate those markets, but only after they come back.

But, how do you know that the same Americans traveling to Asia are also tolerating said policies/politicians? I've had the same next door neighbors for 15+ years, and I have no idea what policies/politicians they tolerate/support. Much less the random person walking down the street.

I'm speaking from personal experience. I have travelled a lot, and I've noticed this as a pattern over what must be hundreds of people I've talked to at this point. I don't really know if my sample is indicative of the US population--I'm just puzzled by what I've seen.

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Post by showdead »

0xcafecafe wrote: post #200
refurb wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason it’s baffling to you is because you’re viewing it through your own ideological bias. Maybe, just maybe, that poor coal miner knows exactly what he’s voting for because that’s what he wants?

I was going by the PP's premise of choosing one's one good over the greater good of society. What I observed was actually the opposite since that poor coal miner is against "higher taxes" & "socialism" even though it is directly benefiting him. That level of adherence to an ideology is what I found baffling (which has nothing to do with my own ideology).

It's because they have the "American dream" of rising to the top. https://youtu.be/xxD9nGL3NLY

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Post by dragonwriter »

excalibur wrote: post #197
abstractbarista wrote: post #182

Its so simple for me. Just like with weed.... Legalize it! Why are we concerning ourselves with how people pleasure themselves in private? It's disgusting. Of course, have law enforcement root out the kiddie stuff, and have a legal framework to ensure safety (STI testing, etc) but my goodness, the efforts we currently go through to catch consenting adults in mutual benefit...

There is no federal prohibition against prostitution like there is against marijuana. This can be effectively accomplished at the State or even local level. Talk to your representatives, start ballot initiatives. Another avenue that may be worth exploring is opening brothels on reservations, similar to casinos.

> There is no federal prohibition against prostitution like there is against marijuana.

Not directly,at least applicable to the states, but there are a variety of federal prohibitions around the sex trade which complicate it, and there'd probably be federal will for a direct ban if most states didn't prohibit it entirely and the fee remaining didn't prohibit it in most of their territory. Neither major party broadly supports legalized prostitution, for superficially different reasons.

> Another avenue that may be worth exploring is opening brothels on reservations, similar to casinos.

Not possible without changes to federal law, federal law prohibits prostitution on tribal land, while casinos are regulated by federal law which allows them with tribal-state gaming compacts.

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Post by notjtrig »

For real though, in my world, the other America, ‘online sex trafficking’ is alive and well. Apps are blowing up with whores, they literally offering subscription services now.

E-Thot is the word of the year, all these money sending apps that came out recently are capitalizing on a new thriving market with blurred lines as to what is legal.

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Post by codingdave »

abstractbarista wrote: post #182

Its so simple for me. Just like with weed.... Legalize it! Why are we concerning ourselves with how people pleasure themselves in private? It's disgusting. Of course, have law enforcement root out the kiddie stuff, and have a legal framework to ensure safety (STI testing, etc) but my goodness, the efforts we currently go through to catch consenting adults in mutual benefit...

Sex trafficking is not consenting adults. There is a significant difference between a sex worker who voluntarily engages in their profession vs. people who are forced into it.

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Post by throw_m239339 »

abstractbarista wrote: post #182

Its so simple for me. Just like with weed.... Legalize it! Why are we concerning ourselves with how people pleasure themselves in private? It's disgusting. Of course, have law enforcement root out the kiddie stuff, and have a legal framework to ensure safety (STI testing, etc) but my goodness, the efforts we currently go through to catch consenting adults in mutual benefit...

> Why are we concerning ourselves with how people pleasure themselves in private? It's disgusting.

Because "legalizing it" doesn't stop sex trafficking or sexual exploitation, in fact all evidences point to the contrary, it increases sex slavery.

https://nordicmodelnow.org/2019/12/17/the-child-sexual-abuse...?

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Post by colmvp »

overcast wrote: post #184
jandrese wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be too mean here, but perhaps the OP doesn't have an easy time finding willing partners in the traditional dating scene. Maybe they have the kind of look that makes women swipe left.

It's possible, but in my experience, there is someone for everyone. I suppose if the goal is to hit way above your weight, paying makes sense. Money does seem to have that effect on women. But if you have that much, you should be able to pull it easily without prostitution?

> It's possible, but in my experience, there is someone for everyone.

lol citation needed.

I've used dating apps for the last four years. I've gotten maybe 3-4 dates per year, and 0 relationships out of it.

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Post by FussyZeus »

overcast wrote: post #172
bdhdbbdbdjdns wrote: post #104

As an occasional consumer of sex work, here is the reality: yes, It’s more dangerous now for both parties, but much more so for the women. The labor supply has gone down sharply because the economics went upside down. If you can’t count on as many clients per day the fixed cost of the hotel room becomes harder to risk so many girls exited the market. Prices have gone up sharply. The kind of girls that were charging $…

Just to satisfy my own curiosity, what is your use case for paying for sex? Married? High powered executive? I can't imagine paying for something that is easily free on a million different dating apps.

You talk about this in such a way that makes me think you're a virgin. In the odd event you're telling the truth, I'm guessing you're rife with STDs.

I can see lots of benefits with just paying for it. They show up, do the thing, and leave. You get to determine when and where (mostly). You get an enthusiastic partner regardless of the effort you yourself put in, and exactly the sort of sex you want.

If I had the money for it, I'd probably do it too.

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Post by wallace_f »

javagram wrote: post #202
wallace_f wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm always puzzled by all the Americans who travel to Asia for all the local markets: everything from food, to personal care, to sex markets, to even medical care. My dental care in Taiwan has been extraordinarily cheap and very good. And yet then I come back to America and see the same people ostensibly support the same authoritarian politicians, police and bureaucrats who spend taxpayer money on authoritarian polic…

40% of Americans have never left the country. Of the 60% who have, there are surely many of us who weren’t doing it to travel to Thailand for prostitutes. I suspect the number of people who are doing that are a small fraction of the population (of the people I know who have traveled abroad, that percentage is 0%)

My comment is not specifically about travelling to Thailand for prostitutes, and occurrence of that event could be ommitted from existence and my comment would have the same meaning, albeit a less apparent connection to the topic.
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