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Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Post by whb07 »

overcast wrote: post #172
bdhdbbdbdjdns wrote: post #104

As an occasional consumer of sex work, here is the reality: yes, It’s more dangerous now for both parties, but much more so for the women. The labor supply has gone down sharply because the economics went upside down. If you can’t count on as many clients per day the fixed cost of the hotel room becomes harder to risk so many girls exited the market. Prices have gone up sharply. The kind of girls that were charging $…

Just to satisfy my own curiosity, what is your use case for paying for sex? Married? High powered executive? I can't imagine paying for something that is easily free on a million different dating apps.

Often overlooked, but also no one thinks about the guy in a wheel chair or with some random disease. They too have sexual needs, perhaps a once a month bj would lift the mood and with it improve the well being of the guy.

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Post by abstractbarista »

Its so simple for me. Just like with weed....

Legalize it!

Why are we concerning ourselves with how people pleasure themselves in private? It's disgusting.

Of course, have law enforcement root out the kiddie stuff, and have a legal framework to ensure safety (STI testing, etc) but my goodness, the efforts we currently go through to catch consenting adults in mutual benefit...

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Post by di4na »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #8

The only part of this article that can be considered "news" is that two presidential candidates support doing a study on the bill's effects. Everything else is the same as the articles written before it passed. What prompted reprinting this article without actually doing any investigation into the ramifications?

A law proposal to make a study of the impact.

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Post by overcast »

jandrese wrote: post #176
overcast wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to satisfy my own curiosity, what is your use case for paying for sex? Married? High powered executive? I can't imagine paying for something that is easily free on a million different dating apps.

Not to be too mean here, but perhaps the OP doesn't have an easy time finding willing partners in the traditional dating scene. Maybe they have the kind of look that makes women swipe left.

It's possible, but in my experience, there is someone for everyone. I suppose if the goal is to hit way above your weight, paying makes sense. Money does seem to have that effect on women. But if you have that much, you should be able to pull it easily without prostitution?

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Post by irrational »

wallace_f wrote: post #168
theli0nheart wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read through your comment twice and am still confused why it’s puzzling that Americans would travel to Asia for the local markets. If it’s cheaper, and the same or similar quality, why wouldn’t they?

My intended meaning was that it is puzzling why Americans ostensibly tolerate policies which eliminate those markets, but only after they come back.

But, how do you know that the same Americans traveling to Asia are also tolerating said policies/politicians? I've had the same next door neighbors for 15+ years, and I have no idea what policies/politicians they tolerate/support. Much less the random person walking down the street.

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Post by scotty79 »

lurquer wrote: post #57
hiram112 wrote: post #49

I think the most unmentioned facet regarding prostitution is that for many men, prostitution may be the only way for them to obtain sex, which I feel is just as much of a "right" as is the right for women to obtain an abortion. No I don't believe taxpayers should be required to pay for prostitutes, nor for abortions. But the market for both should be decriminalized. Not only is this something that is morally right, t…

Your fourth paragraph is insightful. Prostitution, however, worsens the situation. The detrimental aspect of harem-based societies is not bunches of horny men unable to get laid... rather, it's bunches of single men -- horny or not -- that are not part of a family, and who have no need to be productive. Prostitution lessens the desirability of men and decreases somewhat their desire to marry. This causes further decl…

> it's bunches of single men ... that are not part of a family, and who have no need to be productive

That's actually argument for prostitution. You have to earn money for prostitutes. Granted not as much as for the family but still. Also I think there's way less colateral damage for everybody if less desirable men can just buy what they crave directly instead of attempting to compete with better men over women that don't want less desirable men and if they settle for them they'll regret it.

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Post by overcast »

whb07 wrote: post #181
overcast wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to satisfy my own curiosity, what is your use case for paying for sex? Married? High powered executive? I can't imagine paying for something that is easily free on a million different dating apps.

Often overlooked, but also no one thinks about the guy in a wheel chair or with some random disease. They too have sexual needs, perhaps a once a month bj would lift the mood and with it improve the well being of the guy.

That's why I'm asking! I was more referring to someone spending $400 to get laid, not the $20 blowjob guys.

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Post by refurb »

0xcafecafe wrote: post #160
PopeDotNinja wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Americans are not good at taking care of each other, in my American opinion. We don't naturally think about what would be good for everyone, and so we don't push for changes that would benefit us all in the long term, but costs us all in the short term.

As someone who has lived here (US) for close to 15 years, what I find baffling is that some of the voting isn't even that myopic. It is so strongly ideology based that a poor coal miner would vote for a politician who would gut his healthcare and scream "socialism is bad" at any alternative which might actually be beneficial to them in the short term.

The reason it’s baffling to you is because you’re viewing it through your own ideological bias.

Maybe, just maybe, that poor coal miner knows exactly what he’s voting for because that’s what he wants?

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Post by FartyMcFarter »

overcast wrote: post #172
bdhdbbdbdjdns wrote: post #104

As an occasional consumer of sex work, here is the reality: yes, It’s more dangerous now for both parties, but much more so for the women. The labor supply has gone down sharply because the economics went upside down. If you can’t count on as many clients per day the fixed cost of the hotel room becomes harder to risk so many girls exited the market. Prices have gone up sharply. The kind of girls that were charging $…

Just to satisfy my own curiosity, what is your use case for paying for sex? Married? High powered executive? I can't imagine paying for something that is easily free on a million different dating apps.

This may sum it up:

http://freakonomics.com/2009/02/06/i-pay-them-to-leave/

> A business exec told me that he thinks of consulting firms a bit like Charlie Sheen thinks about prostitutes. When I asked him to explain, he said that when Sheen was being sentenced for using a prostitute, the judge asked him why a man like him would have to pay for sex. And Sheen reportedly replied: “I don’t pay them for sex. I pay them to leave.”

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Post by at_a_remove »

bgorman wrote: post #13
burnte wrote: post #10

Noooooo! When I ehard about backpage being shut down because it was the biggest place for child sex trafficking, I said it was the dumbest move they could make. You have a website with the vast majority of illegal sex traffickers COMING TO YOU, and you close it? Why? Make BP a deal, give the FBI an office to scan everything so they can go after child sex traffickers, and you can stay open. We'd have arrested thousand…

Backpage was never popular for child sex trafficking. These are all lies told by various levels of the US government. Source: https://reason.com/2019/08/26/secret-memos-show-the-governme...

Those memos are pretty damning and run directly counter to what has been pushed in the media. Worse yet, it suggests that cooperation itself is what damned the organization when someone had to do something.

This adds significantly to the mindset of "do not cooperate with the legal system even if you're trying to help, no good can come of it." And my already ebbing faith in the media has slipped even further.

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