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Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Re: Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Post by PopeDotNinja »

wallace_f wrote: post #144
antihero wrote: post #133

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I have friends and ex-partners who are sex workers and seeing this stuff come into action, seeing them get denied at borders, seeing their lives become ever more dangerous has been utterly soul crushing. Sex worker rights is a huge frontier that we need to fight harder on, sex trafficking and sex work are two different things, and spiting workers because you find them unsavoury or want to be their saviour under the v…

I'm always puzzled by all the Americans who travel to Asia for all the local markets: everything from food, to personal care, to sex markets, to even medical care. My dental care in Taiwan has been extraordinarily cheap and very good. And yet then I come back to America and see the same people ostensibly support the same authoritarian politicians, police and bureaucrats who spend taxpayer money on authoritarian polic…

Americans are not good at taking care of each other, in my American opinion. We don't naturally think about what would be good for everyone, and so we don't push for changes that would benefit us all in the long term, but costs us all in the short term.

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Post by twic »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #115
taneq wrote: post #103

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I thought we’d decided “not all X” arguments were inadmissible?

not all Hacker News posters are full of shit? Help out, I'm kinda lost now.

This is untrue rather than inadmissible.

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Post by seibelj »

jseliger wrote: post #6

I just wrote this, in reply to an essay about The Irishman https://jakeseliger.com/2019/12/18/links-lessons-to-unlearn-... : “The lonesome Irishman.” On the movie The Irishman ; the essay almost makes me want to watch it, but not quite enough, because I feel like I’ve seen enough mob movies. After The Sopranos, Goodfellas, The Godfather, and probably some more, plus reading Diego Gambetta’s Codes of the Underworld: H…

There is enormous money in fleecing government programs, particularly medicade / medicare, and it's a lot easier if you control many touchpoints (ambulance, urgent care, specialists, etc.). The book Overcharged describes many of the common scams https://www.amazon.com/Overcharged-Americans-Much-Health-Car...

Organized crime has moved out of overtly sleezy industries like gambling into much more profitable ones.

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Post by orbifold »

odiroot wrote: post #107
orbifold wrote: post #70

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Perhaps the most prominent feminist in Germany (Alice Schwarzer) is vehemently against it, although not for the stated reasons of the gp.

> She has written in favor of the continued legality of circumcision of male children.[6] She's really not very likeable.

Yeah I mean she is a pathological liar, she stated publicly twice that she had an abortion and admitted decades later that in fact she didn't. She also evaded taxes by keeping a bank account in Switzerland and paid employees of EMMA far worse than the common market price, all while renting a huge publicly owned property in cologne for the magazine for almost nothing.

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Post by imtringued »

belorn wrote: post #86
jniedrauer wrote: post #52

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There are always outliers with strange opinions in any sufficiently large movement, but a much more common feminist position is to be strongly in support of sex workers rights and safety.

I can just point to Sweden. The meaning of prostitution has change in the public discussed to be the same as rape, regardless of consent. Being pro-prostitution here is the same as being pro-rape which is very anti-feminist in eye of the Swedish public and people with such views are seen as far-right. The two arguments that people here use is that a person that do sex for money would not had done so voluntary, thus t…

>The second argument is that paying a person to do something with their body is the same as buying a human being, which would be slavery.

Being compensated for your work is the extreme opposite of slavery.

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Post by CuriouslyC »

ethiclub wrote: post #54
hiram112 wrote: post #44

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It isn't just the religious right that pushes for backwards prostitution laws. It is also... feminists. Aren't feminists always going on about "my body, my right" when it comes to abortion and other forms of contraceptives? Of course, but when it comes to prostitution, they seem to take a 'differing' view. Why? When prostitution is decriminalized, the price of sex goes down, as would be expected in any market where t…

Feminism is the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.

That's your definition of feminism...

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Post by friendly_fren »

catalogia wrote: post #98
a483838 wrote: post #19

As someone who spent over a decade in the adult industry BackPage was extremely responsible. They had a staff of 70 people dedicated to reporting suspicious ads to police. They were the #1 source of trafficking tips. Another socially responsible escort ad site was owned by a woman (former sex worker) and was forced to sell to a very shady eastern european gentlemen who is referred to as the trafficking king of europe…

> Another socially responsible escort ad site was owned by a woman (former sex worker) and was forced to sell to a very shady eastern european gentlemen who is referred to as the trafficking king of europe. She sold because she didn’t want to go to jail. Was shutting it down somehow not an option? Better to shut it down than to give it to a gangster.

It is far more likely she got doxxed and the king of Europe was threatening her.

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Post by seibelj »

Libertarians were way ahead of the curve on drug legalization, criminal justice reform, school choice, and police brutality to name recent victories. We have been banging the drum on legalizing sex work for decades, and I'm optimistic that true freedom for consenting adults will continue to win over the 'Controllers of Lives' that want to ban freedom.

There is nothing wrong with two consenting adults choosing to have sexual relations for monetary exchange, and I care nothing about "downsides" that come from legalization. It's morally imperative that we allow freedom, then deal with the consequences. Otherwise, we should just ban alcohol, driving, having kids, or anything that can potentially have negative effects when we allow people to be free and make their own decisions.

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Post by apatters »

jessaustin wrote: post #130
apatters wrote: post #113

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Why not look at numbers rather than anecdotes? A poll by YouGov in 2016 found that Republicans were 7% more likely than Democrats to believe sex work should remain illegal: https://www.vox.com/2016/3/11/11203740/prostitution-legal-me... But the real gap was between the genders. Women were 14% more likely to say sex work should be illegal than men. They were also 18% more likely to say it's immoral. Now what "feminist…

Your numbers confirm rather than refute parent's hypothesis. Prostitutes sell what men want more cheaply than other women sell it. Some other women disapprove. Some portion of those other women are feminists.

YouGov's numbers neither confirm nor refute the parent's hypothesis because women and feminists are not the same thing.

No evidence has been presented to support the parent's anecdotal belief about what feminists think. I have spoken to plenty of feminists over the years and have found them to be split pretty evenly over this issue. My point was that the opposition to legalizing sex work is mostly from females, and may or may not be from feminists (whatever that word even means in 2020).

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Post by 0xcafecafe »

PopeDotNinja wrote: post #151
wallace_f wrote: post #144

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I'm always puzzled by all the Americans who travel to Asia for all the local markets: everything from food, to personal care, to sex markets, to even medical care. My dental care in Taiwan has been extraordinarily cheap and very good. And yet then I come back to America and see the same people ostensibly support the same authoritarian politicians, police and bureaucrats who spend taxpayer money on authoritarian polic…

Americans are not good at taking care of each other, in my American opinion. We don't naturally think about what would be good for everyone, and so we don't push for changes that would benefit us all in the long term, but costs us all in the short term.

As someone who has lived here (US) for close to 15 years, what I find baffling is that some of the voting isn't even that myopic. It is so strongly ideology based that a poor coal miner would vote for a politician who would gut his healthcare and scream "socialism is bad" at any alternative which might actually be beneficial to them in the short term.
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