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India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by kamaal »

silentguy wrote: post #284
dessant wrote: post #184

It's rare to see such rabid government propaganda on HN, like some of the posts in this thread. The activity in this thread is comparable to pro-government posts seen on threads about Chinese internment camps and the Social Credit System. There are plenty of disgusting comments to peruse here, though I'd like to highlight this one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21823490 > I don't really understand where the ge…

I don't think government IT cell people are lurking here. I believe the sickening comments are coming from real people who have fallen for Hindutva propaganda. It is sad that a section of educated Indian has such regressive views.

>>It is sad that a section of educated Indian has such regressive views.

India has a very broken socio-political ecosystem. Deeply broken on religious/linguistic/caste and other affiliations. The problems compound with the shortage of resources. Every group feels they deserve to have access to resources more than others.

Plus the contemporary politics is dominated by historical revisionism, guilt, inferiority complex and feelings of exacting retribution. This is not just with religion but even things like languages and caste too.

The fact that economy got this far after 1990s is largely also due to lack of real competition(Post cold war most India's competitors were still recovering).

My guess is things will be hard for India from here on. Its really a country with a horse carriages attempting to win a F1 race.

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Post by sbmthakur »

silentguy wrote: post #285

Sequence of events: * Indigenous people of Assam complain about illegal immigrants from Bangladesh. * BJP (party in power) promises to deport illegal immigrants * NRC (National Registry of Citizenship) law is brought to identify and deport illegal immigrants, most of them believed to be Muslims. NRC is applied in Assam for the cost of 16 Billion INR. 1.9 million illegal immigrants are identified. * It is found that 1…

NRC was mandated by Assam Accord that was signed by Rajiv Gandhi in the last century. The NRC was carried out in Assam after the SC verdict in 2013 which directed the Government to do it.

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Post by sbmthakur »

vijaybritto wrote: post #201
sbmthakur wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is CAA monstrous when it actually expedites the process of gaining citizenship for refugees?

Monstrous cause its about disenfranchising Muslims.

Could you explain how does it disenfranchise Indian Muslims?

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Post by sbmthakur »

thewhitetulip wrote: post #172
sbmthakur wrote: post #121

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Yes, it's not same and is something akin to India's caste discrimination. Besides, it complicates things. Tomorrow, what if the Pakistani state declares Wahabis and Salafists as non-Islamic? Do we pass an amendment to accommodate them too?

What do you think Religious persecution is? Ahmedis have been declared non Muslims and are being prosecuted. This is the definition of religious prosecution

As per the Indian Government, they are still Muslims and the conflict is sectarian. I do hope that they're somehow rescued from Pakistani state's oppression. But it's understandable why they are not covered in CAA.

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Post by sbmthakur »

thewhitetulip wrote: post #175
sbmthakur wrote: post #150

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> If a Muslim wishes to reject the teachings of Islam and live a life free of Islam, Interesting scenario. Doesn't that make the person an atheist? The constitution of India doesn't recognize them, unfortunately. I would push for their inclusion once the constitution recognizes atheism.

Constitution recognises Hindu religion. Hindu religion recognises atheism (Nastik). Null and void

That's a popularly held belief but it's not exactly true.

https://www.quora.com/Can-you-be-an-atheist-while-being-a-Hi...

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Post by sbmthakur »

wtmt wrote: post #213
sbmthakur wrote: post #108

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You forgot one important detail. All those three countries have Islam as their state religion and Muslims are unlikely to be persecuted there on religious grounds. And while Police action on Jamia students is condemnable, it must be noted that protestors did get violent and the Police had to resort to strong measures as a response.

> All those three countries have Islam as their state religion and Muslims are unlikely to be persecuted there on religious grounds. This is not true at all. There are minority sects within Islam, depending on the country. The followers of those do get persecuted on religious grounds (look up Shias, Ahmediyas, etc.) by the majority.

Yes, they are persecuted on sectarian grounds. But that doesn't change the fact that these countries have a particular state religion.

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Post by nilsocket »

random314 wrote: post #270
nilsocket wrote: post #218

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Seems like, you have lot of hate for Modi and BJP. I'm a Roman Catholic for your confirmation. I don't belong to BJP IT cell, you can search on google with my username, I have accounts in many development related sites from long back.

Yeah sure! A bunch of anonymous internet accounts prove that you are Roman Catholic! A Roman Catholic follower of Sadhguru baba! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18961438 A Roman Catholic describes Indias ancient caste based education system. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17692797 I have a question - As a Roman Catholic, what is your opinion of India's ancient caste system?

Is there any rule, that only Hindus are allowed to follow Sadhguru. He is what he is. When somebody is good, I don't think there is anything wrong with mentioning that.

Regarding, Indian caste system,

Initial attitude of caste was not the way it is practiced as now. There used to be free movement across castes. Workers are called Shudras, Business people are called Vaishyas, Warriors are called Kshatriyas, Intellectuals/people who pursued Knowledge are called Brahmins.

But, like anything, an elite group have exploited it. By restricting movement between castes, so they and their children can benefit from higher social status.

Initial intent is not bad, but the way it turned out and the consequences were really bad.

Ancient Indian education system wasn't caste based for your reference, It is the caste system, which spoiled everything.

Yeah, caste system is bad. India would have been in better place is it isn't exploited.

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Post by nilsocket »

dragonsh wrote: post #251
timbuck2 wrote: post #242

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Persecuted muslims have more than 50 islamic countries to go to. Persecuted Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, Hindus have only India.

> Persecuted Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, Hindus have only India. Get your facts right before claiming something. For Buddhists India is not a good country as refugee, Dalai Lama and others have been in India for over 40 years, they are still considered as refugee not given passports, they travel as stateless (they are persecuted buddhist with evidence and proof). Top 10 places by population for buddhists in the world ar…

If India is not a good place, then why Dalai Lama is staying in India, he could have gone to some other countries.

Buddhists who came from Tibet considers China have occupied their place, neither did these guys ever ask for Indian citizenship, When Dalai Lama goes to other place, he does it that way because to be an example indicating China have occupied their land and it rightfully belongs to them.

One cannot get a citizenship of a country and ask for a country from another country.

As an Indian we would be more than happy to have such people.

Next regarding Tamil Hindus of Srilanka, Many people from SriLanka live here in TamilNadu.

Nobody is denying them in India, They don't want to loose their land in SriLanka. If they come to India, they need to start from scratch, which is painful for anybody.

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Post by thewhitetulip »

sbmthakur wrote: post #325
thewhitetulip wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Constitution recognises Hindu religion. Hindu religion recognises atheism (Nastik). Null and void

That's a popularly held belief but it's not exactly true. https://www.quora.com/Can-you-be-an-atheist-while-being-a-Hi...

Quora? Seriously? I've read scriptures which say being a Nastik is a part of being Hindu.

How many scriptures have you read? Bhagwad Gita? Ved? Ramayan? Mahabharat?

Gita itself doesn't have the word Hindu in it.

Hindu word was created by Arabs and it is a short of Al-Hind, i.e. those living beyond River Hind aka Indus.

Again, null and void

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Post by thewhitetulip »

sbmthakur wrote: post #324
thewhitetulip wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think Religious persecution is? Ahmedis have been declared non Muslims and are being prosecuted. This is the definition of religious prosecution

As per the Indian Government, they are still Muslims and the conflict is sectarian. I do hope that they're somehow rescued from Pakistani state's oppression. But it's understandable why they are not covered in CAA.

Lol Pakistan doesn't recognize them as Muslims so it definitely isn't "sectarian".

At least think of some genuine sounding reason rather than this

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