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India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by yumraj »

smt1 wrote: post #125
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Tudor England, there were times when Protestants / Catholics were persecuted more than, say, Jews. I know very little about contemporary politics, but that conclusion doesn't necessarily follow.

Yup. Historically, because of a long tradition of practices such as jizya, historically (now it varies from country to country) there tended to be much more tolerance of "lateral" religions such as Christianity and Judaism in muslim lands than other sects of Islam, which were considered dangerous heresys. South Asia was kind of unique because there was often muslim sultanate leaders over very large non-muslim populat…

> that forced a sort of realpolitik tolerance

Jizya tax was imposed in large parts of India on non-Muslim populations[0]. Not sure how you can call it tolerance?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya#India

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Post by yumraj »

smnrchrds wrote: post #69
yumraj wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because India is providing refuge to Hindus and other minorities who are being persecuted in neighboring Islamic nations. In Pakistan Hindu teenagers are regularly abducted, converted to Islam and married away. India is giving refuge to these people. Muslims are not similarly persecuted in Islamic nations.

Giving persecuted religious groups refuge is a noble act. What is ignoble is the fact that they have exempted Muslims from refuge, while there is a literal genocide against the Muslim minority (Rohingya) happening in their neighbouring country, Myanmar. A country with which they share more than 1600 km of border. How could this act be interpreted as anything but a action to further victimize and marginalize the Musli…

> What is ignoble is the fact that they have exempted Muslims from refuge

That is the problem, this whole issue is being misrepresented. The law is about bulk/en masse citizenship of people based on a certain criteria.

Other refugees are still accepted, only their cases are dealt on a case by case basis.

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

lenkite wrote: post #71
goombastic wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You cant just wake up one day and suddenly proclaim everyone a non citizen. In that case this is a non-government having been elected by non-citizens! Right?

You can when that was the campaign promise of the election and you won the super majority to do so. Regardless of personal opinion, they did this the democratic way. We will see what the Supreme Court rules.

It is a violation of India's obligations under international law. Specifically, Part 3 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights which India is a signatory of.

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Post by silentguy »

dessant wrote: post #184

It's rare to see such rabid government propaganda on HN, like some of the posts in this thread. The activity in this thread is comparable to pro-government posts seen on threads about Chinese internment camps and the Social Credit System. There are plenty of disgusting comments to peruse here, though I'd like to highlight this one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21823490 > I don't really understand where the ge…

I don't think government IT cell people are lurking here. I believe the sickening comments are coming from real people who have fallen for Hindutva propaganda. It is sad that a section of educated Indian has such regressive views.

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Post by silentguy »

Sequence of events:

* Indigenous people of Assam complain about illegal immigrants from Bangladesh.

* BJP (party in power) promises to deport illegal immigrants

* NRC (National Registry of Citizenship) law is brought to identify and deport illegal immigrants, most of them believed to be Muslims. NRC is applied in Assam for the cost of 16 Billion INR. 1.9 million illegal immigrants are identified.

* It is found that 1.2 million immigrants are Hindus. BJP, a pro Hindu party, can't afford to deport 1.2 million Hindus.

* CAA (Citizenship Amendment Act) is brought to give citizenship to all but Muslim.

* Protests erupt over this act being signed by government.

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Post by lenkite »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #283
lenkite wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can when that was the campaign promise of the election and you won the super majority to do so. Regardless of personal opinion, they did this the democratic way. We will see what the Supreme Court rules.

It is a violation of India's obligations under international law. Specifically, Part 3 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights which India is a signatory of.

No, this is not a violation. It is a crime to enter India illegally, so detention cannot be considered arbitrary.

The single point of controversy is whether the Citizenship Amendment Act can omit a refugee on the basis of religion. The supreme court can issue a ruling on this and end the matter.

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Post by silentguy »

nilsocket wrote: post #92

For all the messy comments against Indian government, To make things clear. CAB (Citizenship Amendment Bill) made for illegal migrants from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh (Three Islamic countries). Who is an illegal migrant: Anybody who came to India after 1971 from these countries. To whom does this rule apply: Illegal migrants who entered India till 2014. What does it say: If one came to India before 2014 and st…

To make things clearer:

> Pakistan, Non-Muslim population fell from 23% to 3%.

Mainly because Bangladesh was separated from Pakistan.

> Why segregation based on religion?

India is a secular country. Why is there any mention of religion at all? And, other neighboring islamic countries don't give citizenship automatically if you are Muslim.

> This Bill is applicable only for illegal immigrants(It has got nothing to do with Indian Citizens), If somebody wants to come to India legally, they can come.

Everyone has to prove their citizenship in NRC. The requirements for NRC is ridiculous. Producing documents dating back to 1971. Landless, poor people, people from flood prone areas, tribals and other disenfranchised communities will have tough time producing documents. Only Muslims can not get citizenship through CAA, if they fail to get into NRC. And, what will be the proof of religion? What will happen to Atheists? Does it mean that you either become Hindu or leave country.

Your post is coated with misinformation and propaganda in the guise of informative post.

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Post by silentguy »

quantummkv wrote: post #76
goombastic wrote: post #5

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> This government is going nuts trying to create a hindu muslim divide. Um, No. The CAA bill does not decide citizenship based on your religion. There are many factors but religion is not one of them. Most of the illegal migrants are from the neighboring countries. The fact that these are Muslim majority countries is not something the Indian government can or should do anything about. And regarding the other fact tha…

Once NRC is applied, anyone who can not prove citizenship with documents dating back to 1971, will be treated as illegal immigrant. And, only Muslim illegal immigrants can't get citizenship.

> Israel also has laws for accepting persecuted Jews to the safety of their homeland.

Since when did Pakistan and Israel become yardstick for human liberty and democracy? And, isn't it better to use diplomatic channel to stop the persecution in neighboring countries?

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Post by silentguy »

berrynice wrote: post #122

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I don't know why are downvoted and flagged. Here is similar opinion from genocide expert.

[Preparation for a genocide under way in India: Dr. Gregory Stanton](https://www.sabrangindia.in/article/preparation-genocide-und...)

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Post by vijaybritto »

random314 wrote: post #270
nilsocket wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like, you have lot of hate for Modi and BJP. I'm a Roman Catholic for your confirmation. I don't belong to BJP IT cell, you can search on google with my username, I have accounts in many development related sites from long back.

Yeah sure! A bunch of anonymous internet accounts prove that you are Roman Catholic! A Roman Catholic follower of Sadhguru baba! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18961438 A Roman Catholic describes Indias ancient caste based education system. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17692797 I have a question - As a Roman Catholic, what is your opinion of India's ancient caste system?

Its a bhakt. Don't waste your energy. Not many people understand the Indian troll market. They'll most likely ban us
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