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What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

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Re: What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

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The more I hear about how computers are taking over the car market, the more I appreciate my "App" free Honda Fit from 2013.

My 2015 Mazda 3 doesn't have any of this stuff either. It does have the terrible XM radio, but that's optional and is receive-only.

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> Doug also (twice) sent GM a formal request under a 2003 California data law to ask who the company shared his information with. He got no reply. I wonder if they are planning to follow up on this? If there's a law in place, GM shouldn't be able to get away with simply ignoring requests.

Luckily for us consumers, at least in the EU we now have GDPR, which you definitely can not ignore.

I wonder if he could just ship an american car with onstar to the EU and start requesting the information using GDPR.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you go in a bit more detail on your thoughts about this—would love more insight

Not OP, and not sure what they had in mind, but police departments “lose” data directly in proportion to how damaging it is to them. It would not be very useful in litigation.

If police cars have the same data-collection systems as consumer cars, all phoning home to the GM/Ford mothership, then those police departments won't be able to "lose" data. A company the size of Ford isn't going to cooperate with some puny little police department in Arkansas or wherever in illegally destroying evidence.

Re: What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My cell is not registered in my name and I can take the battery out. I often do any time I am not on call.

Out of curiosity what model do you use? The last phone I had with the capability to do so was an s4.

The ultra-high-end LG V10 and V20 phones have this too. However, the V30 and V40 went to non-replaceable batteries. Also, the Galaxy S5 had it too, but the S6 and latter did not.

Re: What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

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The article states GM has 11M, 4G enabled vehicles, does this imply it's actively tracking these vehicles? Doesn't this also imply you don't have to be paying for any type of service/connectivity on your end and GM can be paying for the connectivity on theirs and be extracting data unbeknownst to the driver?

> Doesn't this also imply you don't have to be paying for any type of service/connectivity on your end and GM can be paying for the connectivity on theirs and be extracting data unbeknownst to the driver?

You can always press the OnStar bouton and it will works, whether you are subscribed or not. That means that it's always connected. What data is does send though, that's a big mystery for sure, but at the bare minimum they know which 4G antenna you are connected to.

Re: What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

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It doesn't strike me as ridiculous that a car's nav would keep track of where you've been.

It collects 25gb of information an hour and beams it back to the car marker. So a bit more that just your location.

This is seriously scary, how easy it is to make disinformation. The article never mentions beaming all this data to the car maker. In which world could you believe that GM could make enough from the data to pay to transfer that much data?

The fact is, they simply don't know what the data GM receive is, they only mentions what the computer store (and what it could potentially store).

This is the world we live in, an article about what data a computer store make everyone believe all this data is send to someone else.

Re: What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

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Related story: When I bought my GM truck last year, it came with OnStar. The saleswoman came to the part of the sale where she had to set up my OnStar account. I told the saleswoman that I would not consent to the OnStar trial service. When she tried to cancel it for me through their online portal, she asked for my email address, which was required to cancel the service. I refused to give it to her. She didn't know w…

> I should have just removed the antenna! You should absolutely find the SIM card and remove it. Just because you "disabled" the service doesn't mean they aren't still sending data back.

There’s no SIM card, the OnStar module is a closed box, easiest way is to just unplug the antenna, no permanent damage an easily reversible if you need your car serviced at the dealer.
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