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What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

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Re: What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

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Since everyone's phone is tracked 24/7/365, what does it matter if you're in a car or not?

My cell is not registered in my name and I can take the battery out. I often do any time I am not on call.

Out of curiosity what model do you use? The last phone I had with the capability to do so was an s4.

Re: What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

#62

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My cell is not registered in my name and I can take the battery out. I often do any time I am not on call.

Out of curiosity what model do you use? The last phone I had with the capability to do so was an s4.

Samsung $12 pay-as-you-go phone from Walmart. They don't have that model in the store any more, but there is a similar one for $29.

Re: What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

#63

Since everyone's phone is tracked 24/7/365, what does it matter if you're in a car or not?

My cell is not registered in my name and I can take the battery out. I often do any time I am not on call.

Well that shows that you are insane.

Re: What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

#64

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My cell is not registered in my name and I can take the battery out. I often do any time I am not on call.

Well that shows that you are insane.

Perhaps. I do feel like I am the only sane person I know. I am watching an episode of twilight zone unfold around me.

Re: What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

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I’m shocked they didn’t rig it so doing what you did turns the check engine light on or something ridiculous.

Don't give them ideas, please.

Ideas are a dime a dozen. Implementations are what cost money. I can envision a million different distopias. The funding and will to make them happen is what prevents them from being reality.

Re: What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

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Of course if a US-spec vehicle is exported to the EU, GDPR then applies to any data collected by that manufacturer from that vehicle.

That liability will be on the importer though, in the same way that making the indicators and emissions systems compliant to EU standards would be

If it sends the data to the manufacturer, they're liable. If they importer are, and the manufacturer doesn't care, they not going to sell any cars.

Re: What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

#67
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I was thinking just halt after 30 minutes, like Intel does if you were to fully remove the Management Engine.

That would fail them in any type approval test anywhere in the world.

Only if they know about it.

Re: What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

#68
Related story:

When I bought my GM truck last year, it came with OnStar. The saleswoman came to the part of the sale where she had to set up my OnStar account. I told the saleswoman that I would not consent to the OnStar trial service. When she tried to cancel it for me through their online portal, she asked for my email address, which was required to cancel the service. I refused to give it to her. She didn't know what to do because that portal was the only tool that she had to work with, and it required the information (she was professional the entire time, btw, as was I), so I told her that I would take care of it.

I walked out to my new truck (still in the sales lot), pressed the OnStar button, and the operator came on, asking me to set up my service. I told them that I wanted to cancel the service completely. What did they do? They asked for my personal information.

I had a back-and-forth with them for 10 minutes or so, with the operator telling me that they could not turn off OnStar unless I gave them my personally identifying information, and I kept telling them that they did not need that information at all and that I would not give it to them (they already knew my vehicle's ID... it's automatically included with the OnStar call).

When asked why I would cancel a "free" service period, I told them in no uncertain terms that I disliked the OnStar company, that I did not consent to sharing any private information with them, and I wanted the "demo" service (that was active when purchasing a new vehicle) disabled completely because I had purchased the vehicle. They kept telling me that they could not cancel the service unless I provided my personally identifying information.

I offered them an alternative. I told them that I could hang up, and the OnStar would stay in the unlimited "demo" mode where I would continue to get the service for free.

They put me on hold, and when they came back, I was told that their supervisor OK'd the cancellation without me giving them any personal information.

I should have just removed the antenna!

Re: What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

#69
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You're the first person I've met to claim that their aversion to motorized transportation had a basis in privacy.

I'm a londoner and we have here a system of public transport which is controlled by cards ('oyster' cards, RFID credit card sized things - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyster_card ). Not exactly to address your point but they're a good way of tracking individuals so I always try to pay anonymously (cash) and never register it. I should probably buy a new one every few months but usually forget. FYI anyway. Privacy a…

It’s tough to use TFL anonymously.

You only need to pay once by card for them to link it to you.

You cannot get refunds (e.g. train delay) without registering the card.

Re: What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

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I'm a londoner and we have here a system of public transport which is controlled by cards ('oyster' cards, RFID credit card sized things - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyster_card ). Not exactly to address your point but they're a good way of tracking individuals so I always try to pay anonymously (cash) and never register it. I should probably buy a new one every few months but usually forget. FYI anyway. Privacy a…

TfL has openly said they track mobile device movements in their network.

I suspect this is literally the only reason there is WiFi available now.
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