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What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

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Re: What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

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Post by tempguy9999 »

bookofjoe wrote: post #35
tempguy9999 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for the perspective. I suppose it was ad hom. I can't take his post in any way constructively (if it was a warning what am I supposed to do about it? Does he think I'm so stupid I can't see the risk already?) and while I don't doubt it was an honest comment, despite my suggestion of trolling which I regret making, I seriously doubt the poster considered the damaging effect it has on general discourse - or d…

Your comment brings to mind my experience on reddit: no matter how innocuous something I wrote seemed to me, someone attacked me for it. I finally bailed.

I'm sorry to hear it :( That may be what's happened here, an innocuous comment mis-taken by myself.

But before I go finally, tell me please in your view what was a reasonable interpretation of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21823201 I pretty well described how it came across to me, effectively that we're all in a surveillance society and if we aren't we soon will be like it or not. I can salvage nothing worthwhile from that poisonous nihilism.

Re: What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

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Post by systemtest »

tempguy9999 wrote: post #19
bagacrap wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're the first person I've met to claim that their aversion to motorized transportation had a basis in privacy.

I'm a londoner and we have here a system of public transport which is controlled by cards ('oyster' cards, RFID credit card sized things - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyster_card ). Not exactly to address your point but they're a good way of tracking individuals so I always try to pay anonymously (cash) and never register it. I should probably buy a new one every few months but usually forget. FYI anyway. Privacy a…

For a typical workday there are so many datapoints: Checking into the secured bicycle parking, walking through the turnstiles at the exit. Walking into the train station. Walking out of the train station. Walking into the metro station. Walking out of the metro station. Entering the bus. Exiting the bus.

And the opposite way when I go home.

I asked them to delete the entering/exiting data on the secure bicycle parking as it's a free service but they declined as their system couldn't handle manual data removal.

Re: What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

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Post by bookofjoe »

tempguy9999 wrote: post #41
bookofjoe wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment brings to mind my experience on reddit: no matter how innocuous something I wrote seemed to me, someone attacked me for it. I finally bailed.

I'm sorry to hear it :( That may be what's happened here, an innocuous comment mis-taken by myself. But before I go finally, tell me please in your view what was a reasonable interpretation of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21823201 I pretty well described how it came across to me, effectively that we're all in a surveillance society and if we aren't we soon will be like it or not. I can salvage nothing worthwh…

It does seem a bit harsh, what with a number of signalling words etc.

Re: What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

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Post by buildbot »

steve_gh wrote: post #26

Most car makers are global - and sell heavily in European markets, which are covered by the GDPR. So I suspect that for these manufacturers, many brands will be GDPR compliant by default. That said: - Under what principle is data collected (Article 6) - What measures have they put in place to enable access to PI (Article 15) - How consent may be withdrawn (Article 7) - How consent may be obtained when a vehicle is so…

Having worked at one, they are very careful about being GDPR complaint in every service, even internal. It’s refreshing!

Re: What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

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Post by ryanmercer »

afthonos wrote: post #10
kevas wrote: post #9

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Could you go in a bit more detail on your thoughts about this—would love more insight

Not OP, and not sure what they had in mind, but police departments “lose” data directly in proportion to how damaging it is to them. It would not be very useful in litigation.

How would car data make any difference

Criminal's lawyer: "Your honor, clearly my client was being chased viciously by that officer, here's the car data saying it was going 65mph"

Judge: "Yes, and as we just saw in the video footage from three news helicopters, your client was travelling even faster than the police chasing him, weaving in and out of traffic, before losing control when his tire blew".

Engine run time, speed, location, engine temps, impact, hard breaking, hard acceleration, this is the type of data that is being collected.

Also I would imagine fleet vehicles, like police cars and taxis, would not include most of this as it increases the costs and complexity of repairs. Fleet vehicles are generally designed to use the same major components as multiple other vehicles/generations and be fairly no-frills features to be the easiest to work on. Major police departments (large cities, state police) generally have their own garages that do all of the work.

Re: What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

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Post by brummm »

steve_gh wrote: post #26

Most car makers are global - and sell heavily in European markets, which are covered by the GDPR. So I suspect that for these manufacturers, many brands will be GDPR compliant by default. That said: - Under what principle is data collected (Article 6) - What measures have they put in place to enable access to PI (Article 15) - How consent may be withdrawn (Article 7) - How consent may be obtained when a vehicle is so…

I mean, except Ford and Tesla, none of the American brands are very popular in Europe. I guess this would move affect European and Asian car makers that can collect more data outside of Europe.

Re: What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

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Post by bb123 »

tempguy9999 wrote: post #19
bagacrap wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're the first person I've met to claim that their aversion to motorized transportation had a basis in privacy.

I'm a londoner and we have here a system of public transport which is controlled by cards ('oyster' cards, RFID credit card sized things - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyster_card ). Not exactly to address your point but they're a good way of tracking individuals so I always try to pay anonymously (cash) and never register it. I should probably buy a new one every few months but usually forget. FYI anyway. Privacy a…

TfL has openly said they track mobile device movements in their network.

Re: What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

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Post by consp »

tempguy9999 wrote: post #19
bagacrap wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're the first person I've met to claim that their aversion to motorized transportation had a basis in privacy.

I'm a londoner and we have here a system of public transport which is controlled by cards ('oyster' cards, RFID credit card sized things - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyster_card ). Not exactly to address your point but they're a good way of tracking individuals so I always try to pay anonymously (cash) and never register it. I should probably buy a new one every few months but usually forget. FYI anyway. Privacy a…

The same system exists for the Dutch public transport (exactly the same cards). Privacy wise you are able to buy an anonymous card with cash. But ... the operators are phasing out machines which are able to accept cash faster than you can find them and they are idiotically expensive if you want to replace them every few weeks as they are tracking you anyways even on the anonymous cards.

Re: What does your car know about you? We hacked a Chevy to find out

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Post by consp »

boring_twenties wrote: post #17
georgeplusplus wrote: post #5

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I’m shocked they didn’t rig it so doing what you did turns the check engine light on or something ridiculous.

I was thinking just halt after 30 minutes, like Intel does if you were to fully remove the Management Engine.

That would fail them in any type approval test anywhere in the world.
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