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Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by majormjr »

dodobirdlord wrote: post #710
jacquesm wrote: post #523

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> Nowhere does it say that Google plans to shutter GCP if it doesn't reach #1 by 2023. No, but it also doesn't say they're in for the long haul in case they don't end up on top and with Google's well documented and long history of killing products you really can't fault people for wondering if it is wise to build on top of GCP no matter what the advantages.

> Google's well documented and long history of killing products How long will this tired meme continue to have legs for? Sheesh. Google is not going to shutter GCP right after spending billions of dollars on datacenters and fiber cables. The fact that HN is even entertaining the concept is embarrassing and speaks volumes about fall in the quality of discussion.

Google spent quite a bit of money to run fibre in Louisville and then just abandoned the half buried cables. This kind of thing isn't unexpected for Google.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by scarface74 »

dragonsh wrote: post #814
scarface74 wrote: post #798

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AWS is always bragging that they have twice as many Windows VMs than Azure. AWS a Perl shop? All of AWS services treat C# .Net Core as a first class citizen. - CodeBuild has prebuilt C# .Net Core images for building apps. For licensing reasons they don’t have prebuilt Windows/Framework containers but their instructions are so clear that I was able to build one before I knew anything about Docker - Lambda has native s…

AWS was built to support Amazon website which is built in Perl and still internal AWS core code might contain perl. Probably over the years they might have moved slowly to Java. I don't work for AWS so can't say much. Regarding support for .NET whatever AWS does microsoft will always be way ahead of them. Microsoft is not elastic.co that AWS leech on and put the original guys on the side and don't contribute back. AW…

Regarding support for .NET whatever AWS does microsoft will always be way ahead of them. Microsoft is not elastic.co.

Can you give one concrete example of where MS has a feature for .Net that AWS doesn’t have?

The only one that I can think of is that their lambda equivalent works with .Net Framework.

Amazon doesn’t care about EKS, it’s just a check box option to say they have it. Elastic Container Service is far more integrated with AWS.

Have you actually used AWS? Care to enumerate how it’s “inferior”?

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by badtux »

hinkley wrote: post #731
jbigelow76 wrote: post #660

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Its far from trivial to change an entire corporate culture on a dime. You can say that, but when it's a response to the fact that Microsoft did that EXACT THING on the the scale in which they did it your statement doesn't hold any water. Go back in time and walk onto the Microsoft campus in Seattle and tell anyone that will listen in say 1995, 1999, 2001, 2007, or 2012 that Windows licensing is a dead end and see if…

Microsoft’s culture didn’t change one little bit until after they started having trouble recruiting. I doubt Google will learn anything until most people stop thinking a Google job is the best of all outcomes.

They're already there on my part. Between their firing employees who organize or complain that their corporate slogan apparently now is "Be Evil", their chaotic product decision making, and their toxic internal politics, I have absolutely no interest in working for Google. Furthermore, I've noticed that the Google workforce seems to be becoming less.... Googly.... recently (disclaimer: I work down the street from the Googleplex and see many Googlers as they do their daily migrations). As in, they're now hiring a broader selection of people who aren't just the top 5% in class. What that tells me is that they're having more difficulty on the recruiting front and having to cast their net wider.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by badtux »

scarejunba wrote: post #564
jacquesm wrote: post #561

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Funny thing about plus, reader and wave: that was the kind of stuff that people who are now in positions to make infrastructure decisions got worked up about. It's the sort of image damage that may have seemed minor and acceptable at the time that can come back with a very large multiplier in the future, especially given the kind of prominence those products once had.

This was genuinely not a factor when we signed a 1E8 deal with GCP. What was a factor: (non-exhaustive) * Access to their developers for core services * Discounts available * Quality of support * Access Controls / Audit / Budgeting * Dev Tools around Infra * Future Roadmap Not one of us ever would have chosen the shutdown of Plus/Reader/Wave as a factor. As a startup we hard pivoted in order to succeed. No surprise t…

The thing is that a long term roadmap for a startup is 3 years. So you're going to look for things that are going to get you 3 years down the road cheaply, and then you still aren't that big, you have gigabytes of data, not hundreds of terabytes of data, so pivoting to another cloud provider isn't a big deal. Now, scale up to a company that has a monthly IT spend of 50 million dollars. You aren't moving that much infrastructure between cloud providers on a dime. Past a certain scale, there is a huge incentive to standardize on a vendor that has a 10 year time scale. We know AWS will be there in 10 years. Will GCP be there in 10 years?

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by hinkley »

badtux wrote: post #823
hinkley wrote: post #731

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Microsoft’s culture didn’t change one little bit until after they started having trouble recruiting. I doubt Google will learn anything until most people stop thinking a Google job is the best of all outcomes.

They're already there on my part. Between their firing employees who organize or complain that their corporate slogan apparently now is "Be Evil", their chaotic product decision making, and their toxic internal politics, I have absolutely no interest in working for Google. Furthermore, I've noticed that the Google workforce seems to be becoming less.... Googly.... recently (disclaimer: I work down the street from the…

When I first wrote that sentence, I said "until people", but it occurred to me that being shunned by a small group of engineers probably barely registers on any metric that a large company would pay attention to. It wouldn't be actionable until the well had been running dry for a while.

I mean, shit, I work at a place where many of my favorite people have moved on to other things, few have been replaced, and yet we're only just having sincere conversations about how to fix our culture problems. That had to wait for one of the ringleaders to quit.

So far as I can tell from my minuscule keyhole, Sergey and Larry are the ringleaders. They'll never quit, and it'll take hitting rock bottom for them to have a change of heart. Not unlike Microsoft, after their stock began to tank.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by neop1x »

antoncohen wrote: post #286

I want to put on end to the "you can't contact Google" comments that comes up every time Google Cloud makes the front page. You can contact Google Cloud. They are very responsive. I'm currently at a small startup using GCP, and I've been at similarly sized startups with equivalent AWS spends. I have found it easier to have serious discussions with GCP, compared to AWS. We have dedicated GCP contacts. We actually have…

Slack? "This invite link is no longer active.". Their official Slack link in the docs: https://googlecloud-community.slack.com/join/shared_invite/e...

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by ratww »

susijdjdjxa wrote: post #457
nikanj wrote: post #377

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People, me included, just remember Google doesn't support their products. I won't be arsed to consult a list of Google products and properties to see if this particular one is going to get support or not. If I buy something from Microsoft, I can contact Microsoft support. I don't have to roll the dice on it being actually supported by Microsoft, or only supported by other desperate users on an abandoned phpBB somewhe…

I don’t buy this claim that Microsoft has good support for all their products. If my Windows machine is running slow will Microsoft support help me? Why do my family members keep asking me for help with their computers if Microsoft support is so great? To me, the idea of getting good support on any consumer software is laughable, and has no bearing on Google.

> If my Windows machine is running slow will Microsoft support help me?

Microsoft does offer paid support for Windows.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by cheeze »

romanovcode wrote: post #761
ElFitz wrote: post #751

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I'd beg to differ. Between Lambda, DynamoDB, Aurora Serverless, S3, SNS, SQS, API Gateway and now EventBridge, which cost basically nothing at MVP scale and all of which's usage is drastically simplified by tools like the Serverless framework or Amplify, AWS is my go-to for anything MVP I tried Azure. I ran away. I liked GCP, but it seems I'll steer clear for the time being.

Yeah, Azure seems pretty good until you calculate your costs and realize you have to pay 200$+ per month for an MVP project with possible of 0 users. I guess if you have the money Azure is pretty good tho.

Azure is years behind at this point. Seems that every ~6 months they have another global outage because some critical infra failed in their main DC.

While this has happened in the past with GCP and AWS, the frequency is stunning from MSFT.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by steverb »

andybak wrote: post #762
steverb wrote: post #195

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I've been quite pleased with the Azure stack myself. There is the issue of figuring out what the marketing team named the damned thing you are looking for, but I had the same problem with AWS. I am focused primarily on .Net though, so your YMMV by a lot.

> There is the issue of figuring out what the marketing team named the damned thing you are looking for, but I had the same problem with AWS. Does Azure have an equivalent for this invaluable resource? https://expeditedsecurity.com/aws-in-plain-english/

Oddly enough... the same site has it.

https://www.expeditedssl.com/azure-in-plain-english

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by fatbird »

MatthewKernerMS wrote: post #700
fatbird wrote: post #456

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To change the vnet of a VM, you still need to deallocate it and restore it into the new vnet. Anything they don't offer directly, they offer a pile of canned VMs authored by Bitnami, who adds their own layer of management scripts to them, which (in our case) corrupted the filesystem on restarting from the great Shellshock cloud reboot. Azure is, in part, an ad-hoc cloud offering made up of services offered by mutuall…

Thanks very much for the product feedback. I've routed the points of feedback to the teams who own the components involved to take a look.

I do appreciate the fact that the Azure team is here, noting feedback and routing it. I had a longstanding complaint about how Cosmos' mongo API was incomplete, and my complaints about it here were noticed and it did eventually get fixed. So, it may be slow, but the Azure team isn't unresponsive.
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