Google should be broken up like the Bell system was in the 80s.
Google cannot be broken up. It needs to be torn down on short (~14 days) notice.
Google's Monopoly-Based Foreign Policy
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
The US is larger than Turkey, but that's irrelevant to the argument; the US locks up a larger percentage of its population than practically any other country on Earth. The US has more people in prison than China , which has 4 times the population. I'm not denying there's a lot wrong in Turkey, but the US isn't all freedom and democracy either.
Are you counting re-education camps and capital punishments? Pretty sure China will surpass most of the rest combined.
Quite possibly. But still, I don't think "not as bad as China" is a sufficiently high bar for what was once supposed to be the greatest democracy in the world and a champion for freedom.
Re: Google's Monopoly-Based Foreign Policy
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
> -and that it's legally allowed to do so--is the best reason I've seen so far to break up Big Tech. Of course it is legal.. Nobody can tell a company who they HAVE to sell their product to.. But you want to break it up and what then exactly.. ? > Both Android and Chrome need to be spun out--at this point they are basically public utilities No, they're not.. And they're not a fundamental right either.
> Nobody can tell a company who they HAVE to sell their product to.. Of course the state can do that.
Turkey can if Google wants to do business in Turkey- if it isn't a legal business entity in Turkey, then no, not really.
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Google also operate in USA. They're based there, in case you didn't notice. > USA has more people in prison than Turkey has. And is substantially larger, and tends to not lock up everybody that might be against dear leader. For now. > Recently journalist Max Blumenthal was jailed on false charges. Definitely not a very good moment in the history of the USA but there are plenty of worse examples and besides the case…
Why not? Turkey survived a coup. We can critique the governments handling all day but can we at least all agree that when a democracy barely survives a coup it ought to institute policies to solidify the rule of law and endurance of its institutions?
A coup doesn't happen with democracies/countries, it's dictatorships that "survive" coups.
Re: Google's Monopoly-Based Foreign Policy
#65Perhaps I am not understanding the implications, but is Google supposed to be forced to make its phones available in Turkey?
Google is perfectly capable of untying their search from Android via a software update, because that’s the remedy they already developed and use in Russia. Turkey is asking them to turn on the same capability. Google is saying they could but that they won’t, because Turkey isn’t a big enough country to make them. And yes, if Google is breaking US and international anti-trust laws, “forcing” people to do things is gen…
Or rather, the cost of providing Android and supporting the Turkish market outweighs the money they can make now that their search engine is no longer allowed exclusive billing on Android phones. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if we see further retreats like this from Google.
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#66> Google said it was willing to ‘work with’ Turkey, but as a partner and not as a corporation working within a sovereign nation. It simply said it doesn’t like Turkey’s law, and so it will stop providing Android phones for an entire country. In other words, Google has a private sanctions regime against smaller countries. The fact that Google even has the leverage to blackout an entire country like this--and that it's…
> Both Android and Chrome need to be spun out--at this point they are basically public utilities.
And then what: future development paid for by taxes, done by public servants who can't be fired? A House Committee on Chrome's WhatWG standards compliance?
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#67TLDR: Turkey wanted to regulate Google's activities in the Turkish market, and so, Google decided to exit the Turkish market entirely.
I'm all in favor of vigorous anti-trust enforcement, and I think the Turkish regulators did the right thing. American/European regulators can probably take some pages out of their playbook. But it seems ridiculous to blame a company for choosing which markets it wants to do business in.
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#68> Google said it was willing to ‘work with’ Turkey, but as a partner and not as a corporation working within a sovereign nation. It simply said it doesn’t like Turkey’s law, and so it will stop providing Android phones for an entire country. In other words, Google has a private sanctions regime against smaller countries. The fact that Google even has the leverage to blackout an entire country like this--and that it's…
And United Fruit Company even had armies in smaller countries.
It seems the tech giants have the capability of making any country a banana republic.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's amusing how for many things you "cannot compare X and US in this way" for whatever reason. Seems that the US is beyond any comparison. Go to this page, sort by the number of incarcerations per 100,000 population and enjoy the interesting picture: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarcera...
incarceration because war of drugs is fundamentally different from incarceration because I don't like my dear leader.
I was addressing the number of people in prisons specifically, not the reasons for them being there. Being a larger country and thus having more prisoners says nothing about the incarceration rate.
Re: Google's Monopoly-Based Foreign Policy
#70TLDR: Turkey wanted to regulate Google's activities in the Turkish market, and so, Google decided to exit the Turkish market entirely. I'm all in favor of vigorous anti-trust enforcement, and I think the Turkish regulators did the right thing. American/European regulators can probably take some pages out of their playbook. But it seems ridiculous to blame a company for choosing which markets it wants to do business i…
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