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When will the Netherlands disappear?

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Re: When will the Netherlands disappear?

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3 out of the top 5 dredging firms are from the Netherlands and one is from Belgium, right next door. The Netherlands will be fine. Actually the Netherlands will make bank selling water management knowledge to others.

> Actually the Netherlands will make bank selling water management knowledge to others.

This is already happening.

Re: When will the Netherlands disappear?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One or two generations of farming? By then they'll be retired (with a pension) or dead, do you think they care?

A strong part of the protestors are young farmers. Set on taking over their parents farm and continuing the family business. And they probably want the same for their kids as well. It's really puzzling they take this stance, especially since the majority is also anti EU, which is also against their best interest, because most of their revenue is from export, which would suffer havily when a Nexit would ever occur. So…

Just a guess, but I know some farmers. What I get from them is, that they are all about freedom to do what they think is right on their own land. Anything that brings regulations to their farms is felt as an attack. To be honest, I can understand them. They work insane hours all year long, constant pressure from the markets and society and every year there are more laws demanding their time and resources. That some of these laws might be necessary is lost in their daily struggle.

Re: When will the Netherlands disappear?

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post #60
post #23

I find it a bit ironic given the MIT climate simulator on HN yesterday - the biggest impact (in that simulator) to climate change was the land/agriculture methane. Right now the Dutch farmers are again harassing the country with their tractors on public roads, angry about what they feel is undue pressure to reduce their emissions. Maybe they'll get one or two more generations of farming as they hasten their own demis…

Can we also mention that most of the electricity in NL is made with coal and gaz, what a green country. https://www.electricitymap.org/?page=country&solar=false&rem...

At least I'm seeing a lot of solar being installed. Granted this isn't the best country for solar, but it helps.

Re: When will the Netherlands disappear?

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post #23

I find it a bit ironic given the MIT climate simulator on HN yesterday - the biggest impact (in that simulator) to climate change was the land/agriculture methane. Right now the Dutch farmers are again harassing the country with their tractors on public roads, angry about what they feel is undue pressure to reduce their emissions. Maybe they'll get one or two more generations of farming as they hasten their own demis…

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Re: When will the Netherlands disappear?

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post #60
post #23

I find it a bit ironic given the MIT climate simulator on HN yesterday - the biggest impact (in that simulator) to climate change was the land/agriculture methane. Right now the Dutch farmers are again harassing the country with their tractors on public roads, angry about what they feel is undue pressure to reduce their emissions. Maybe they'll get one or two more generations of farming as they hasten their own demis…

Can we also mention that most of the electricity in NL is made with coal and gaz, what a green country. https://www.electricitymap.org/?page=country&solar=false&rem...

Yeah, we've really been in the back of the pack on green energy. When you see how much countries like Denmark and Germany have been investing in clean energy, it's embarrassing how little we've done.

Fortunately our eternally right-wing government finally seems to realise that something should be done. Let's hope they actually do.

Re: When will the Netherlands disappear?

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It won't. NL has been preparing quite hard for a rise in sea level and/or worse storms. The port of IJmuiden is being overhauled, the shoreline defenses have all been raised, in some places only about 3 ft, in others much more depending on the likelihood of flooding. A bigger problem is that during an extended period of high water that the rivers won't be able to drain into the North Sea and studies are being made on…

you do know the deltawerken were only built with a maximum of 40 cm sea level rise in mind, right ? and we're now thinking of about 100 cm by 2100. true, that does not mean the netherlands will disappear right away, but we will see more flooding than before 1953, especially with extreme weather getting more extreme.

so the question is more whether it will be economically viable to keep the land dry. personally, with the more pessimistic IPCC scenarios in mind, we will come to the point where that decision needs to be made. not in my lifetime, most likely not in yours, but still.

as to your last sentence : we have never seen a scenario like the ones now looming over us.

Re: When will the Netherlands disappear?

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3 out of the top 5 dredging firms are from the Netherlands and one is from Belgium, right next door. The Netherlands will be fine. Actually the Netherlands will make bank selling water management knowledge to others.

Could be, but would it be fair to only keep your feet dry because you/your country can pay for it?

Life's not fair. Sorry to break the bad news to you.
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