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Post by jtx22 »

ceautery wrote: post #52
wholepointofcc wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What responsibility is bore by the parents who willingly took them into a country where they know they would have a high likelihood of being mistreated?

Q) "Why did you come here if you knew it would be risky?" A) "I had no way to provide food for my family, and didn't want to be killed by drug cartels."

Millions of people live just fine in Mexico without being targeted by "The Cartels".

If you choose to enforce your presence on a country that doesn't want you, you're in the wrong.

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

wholepointofcc wrote: post #55
ceautery wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Q) "Why did you come here if you knew it would be risky?" A) "I had no way to provide food for my family, and didn't want to be killed by drug cartels."

Ok, you took a gamble, to illegally go into a place that ostensively doesn't want you. The gamble didn't pay off, tough luck. What the USA is doing is inhumane (news at 11) but I have very little sympathy for people who put their children at risk like that. I'd turn into a criminal before putting my children at risk like that. Maybe this makes me a worse person. It certainly makes me a person whose children are not i…

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Post by wholepointofcc »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #72
wholepointofcc wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, you took a gamble, to illegally go into a place that ostensively doesn't want you. The gamble didn't pay off, tough luck. What the USA is doing is inhumane (news at 11) but I have very little sympathy for people who put their children at risk like that. I'd turn into a criminal before putting my children at risk like that. Maybe this makes me a worse person. It certainly makes me a person whose children are not i…

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Just walk south. Don't walk north. Walk south. It's that simple.

Mexico is a civilized democracy with public safety problems, you people talking as if it was North Korea...

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Post by wholepointofcc »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #72
wholepointofcc wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, you took a gamble, to illegally go into a place that ostensively doesn't want you. The gamble didn't pay off, tough luck. What the USA is doing is inhumane (news at 11) but I have very little sympathy for people who put their children at risk like that. I'd turn into a criminal before putting my children at risk like that. Maybe this makes me a worse person. It certainly makes me a person whose children are not i…

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> ethnically cleanse

? Who's talking about ethnic cleansing? We're talking about violence cause as a consequence of the USA's drug policy + CIA interference.

The levels of misconception in this thread are remarkable

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Post by potench »

Ma8ee wrote: post #5
praptak wrote: post #3

Makes one reflect on how much do we take for granted when it comes to ethics. I remember a (googleable) exchange of letters between the former owner and an ex-slave. The former was genuinely hurt by slave's betrayal and urged them to go back. There were people for whom owning other people was so normalized that they were actually angry at their former slaves. I wonder if any of our current practices will be viewed as…

I think the way we treat animals today will be viewed as very barbaric within a generation or two. We are everyday learning more about how much intelligence and consciousness something like cows posses.

Agreed; mass production and slaughter of animals at the expense of the environment and generally our health will become frowned upon as alternatives become more available.

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Post by pjc50 »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #58
youdontknowtho wrote: post #50

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I've been to multiple prisons for children to visit people, they aren't like schools. Also, many children are sent to adult prison and those aren't like school either. Both public and private schools can be places where people experience violence, but many more people experience violence at home first. Rein it in, minuteman.

Students are not free to leave and will literally be thrown in a cage for truancy if they do. They don't choose the curriculum, don't get to choose who they work with, and are frequently submitted to dehumanizing treatment like having to ask permission to use the restroom. What more could you ask for in a prison?

Very few countries jail children for simple truancy. Most will let you opt out of the system if you can prove you're maintaining standards in the process and not homeschooling for abusive purposes.

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Post by hobolobo »

wholepointofcc wrote: post #55
ceautery wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Q) "Why did you come here if you knew it would be risky?" A) "I had no way to provide food for my family, and didn't want to be killed by drug cartels."

Ok, you took a gamble, to illegally go into a place that ostensively doesn't want you. The gamble didn't pay off, tough luck. What the USA is doing is inhumane (news at 11) but I have very little sympathy for people who put their children at risk like that. I'd turn into a criminal before putting my children at risk like that. Maybe this makes me a worse person. It certainly makes me a person whose children are not i…

Such an ugly response. Their situation is that their children are already at risk.

I don't think you grasp the severity of the situation in Mexico. Perhaps you should go strut your tough stuff over the border. The state dept advise against it due to the high levels of violence and kidnapping.

That wouldn't matter to a would-be criminal though.

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Post by weberc2 »

ceautery wrote: post #12

> I wonder if any of our current practices will be viewed as barbaric. The US jailed 70,000 migrant children this year. I doubt history will smile on that.

I want to keep this civil and perhaps learn something, but what is the specific objection with respect to complaints of detention? Do folks just want better detention conditions or are we advocating for giving citizenship to everyone who wants it?

EDIT: Why the downvotes? I'm asking a genuine question. How did I manage to offend?

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Post by tasogare »

ceautery wrote: post #12

> I wonder if any of our current practices will be viewed as barbaric. The US jailed 70,000 migrant children this year. I doubt history will smile on that.

You forget to say these kids didn’t magically lend in jail. They were brought there by their parents that purposely broke immigration laws. They possibly even did it with the idea of appealing to emotion of US citizens to get away with it.

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Post by SloopJon »

According to freedomonthemove.org, there are 22,236 advertisements. If I search (registration required) for transcribed ads, I get 6,920 results. Transcriptions are not visible in the default view. Select the icon on the right to see images and transcriptions side by side.
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