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Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by roenxi » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 9:57 AM UTC

_bxg1 wrote: post #52

Man. What is it with this wave of nationalistic zealotry that seems to be sweeping most of the world? Has it just been long enough since World War 2 that it's already time to re-learn these lessons?

If you look to the past (1945-1980) the general situation was improving at an unbelievable pace by an absurd magnitude. Resources were abundant and there was a lot that needed to be done, life got better very quickly.

It is very hard to be antagonistic in such circumstances - what is there to fight over, really?

It is possible that resources are getting scarce again and old battle lines are rediscovered as nations, classes and tribes restart old squabbles. There is less cheap oil per capita, cities are getting cramped and the radical change technology bought in the 90s and 2000s is slowing down so it isn't obvious that there are easy opportunities still opening up on that front.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by sbmthakur » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 9:57 AM UTC

goombastic wrote: post #6

reactspa wrote: post #2

1. Nobody was stripped of citizenship. They couldn't prove they had it in the first place. 2. You won't learn this from the media's narrative about it, but: the reason why most protestors are protesting the Citizenship Amendment is not because muslim refugees (from Pak., Bangla. and Afghan.) are excluded, but because everyone else (non-muslim refugees [i.e. persecuted religious minorities from these officially "Islam…

It is not the citizen's responsibility to prove he is a citizen, it is the government's responsibility to prove that he isn't. Guilty until proven innocent? How is that fair?

It is.

India follows jus sanguinis (citizenship by right of blood) as opposed to the jus soli (citizenship by right of birth within the territory). The state cannot just assume that a person has the Right of blood.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by vijaybritto » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 9:57 AM UTC

tasogare wrote: post #149

> why base it on religion? Because religion matters. In this case, islam has a millenarian, worldwide record of massacring non-muslims so it doesn’t seem far fetched to impose boundaries based on this criterion. Also the Pakistan+Bangladesh/India partition was made on this religious clivage, so muslims have two others countries to choose from. As someone who almost lost a friend in a jihadist terror attack, I’m reall…

This insane false fear mongering has to stop

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by thewhitetulip » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 9:57 AM UTC

nilsocket wrote: post #137

vinni2 wrote: post #124

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The problem is many have been living for generations without any documentation. How are they supposed to prove?

As clearly said before, If one is living in India for more than 11 years, under CAB they will be considered as Indian citizens.

Govt itself is denying their own Identifying cards and documents, how can anyone prove that they've lived for 12yrs?

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by vijaybritto » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 9:58 AM UTC

quantummkv wrote: post #89

> For a government which has attained a historical majority for the second time, just imagine the impact they can have if they focussed this energy on improving economic and human-life indicators instead. The government in its election pitch made this one of the major points that they would execute if they came to power. So please don't be under the assumption that the people that voted don't want this to be implemen…

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Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by sbmthakur » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 9:59 AM UTC

goombastic wrote: post #111

sbmthakur wrote: post #105

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> They have effectively asked all Indian citizens to prove they are Indians or otherwise be interned. I am an Indian citizen in India. Haven't received any such notification.

Well, you have been notified with the CAA.

CAA doesn't apply to citizens.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by denzil_correa » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 10:01 AM UTC

nilsocket wrote: post #92

For all the messy comments against Indian government, To make things clear. CAB (Citizenship Amendment Bill) made for illegal migrants from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh (Three Islamic countries). Who is an illegal migrant: Anybody who came to India after 1971 from these countries. To whom does this rule apply: Illegal migrants who entered India till 2014. What does it say: If one came to India before 2014 and st…

> Pakistan, Non-Muslim population fell from 23% to 3%.

This is a straight up propaganda and an outright lie [0]. The population of non-Muslims in Pakistan has always hovered around 3.5%.

Census 1951 - 3.4% non-Muslims (oldest)

Census 1998 - 3.7% non-Muslims (newest)

[0]https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/pakistan-bangladesh-no...

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by BilalBudhani » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 10:03 AM UTC

thewhitetulip wrote: post #156

BilalBudhani wrote: post #151

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The government in power has strategically choose this move to strengthen their vote bank in upcoming elections in Assam[1]. There are other neighbouring countries like Nepal, China, Sri lank, Myanmar etc. where minorities are facing the same level of persecution which is conveniently ignored because they did not find in the current agenda of the government. For the first time in Indian history, There is a citizenship…

Assam NRC has cost 1.3 thousand crore and Assam is 3% of the entire population. This government doesn't have funds to run day to day operations (it has delayed payment of taxes to states), where will it bring so much money? Also why is it needed? Because government could not do any good work. Economy is in a free fall, unemployment rate is highest in 45yrs

This is what makes me more concerned.

Government is taking no interest in solving internal crises which has reached an alarming rate. Economist, Major corporates, industrialist has been raising concerns on the same. Instead, government are finding ways to keep the religion divide alive. What a shame!

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by thewhitetulip » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 10:03 AM UTC

yumraj wrote: post #85

To those who are questioning why, this is why (reports from Pakistan's most reputed news paper) https://www.google.com/search?q=Hindu+girl+converted+site%3A... Or feel free to search "Hindu girl converted site:dawn.com"

You can also Google how Minority Muslims are declared "Non Muslim"

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by thewhitetulip » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 10:05 AM UTC

sbmthakur wrote: post #105

goombastic wrote: post #5

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> They have effectively asked all Indian citizens to prove they are Indians or otherwise be interned. I am an Indian citizen in India. Haven't received any such notification.

Heard of the NRC? No matter how much you toe govt line, they'll still harass you at NRC centre and the day you'll suffer personally you'll realise how wrong you are.