Great mice but I’m surprised no one has mentioned weight. The master 3 is 141g! That’s a brick!
I’ve been hunting for a mouse with this kind of scroll wheel that was less than 90g or so forever. 141g would kill my arm in a few hours.
Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
Logitech software is a dumpster fire. For a while there it would start and go to 170-190% CPU and just burn until it was killed. I share your experience and frustration.
I'm so glad linux usually contains reverse engineered drivers that are open source so everything just works out of the box with logitech.
It really is quite incredible the unrewarded, often thankless (except that which we're doing now) effort that must go into that.
I had an issue recently with missing drivers for a network card (my fault, I deleted the kernel modules, it had been and now is again working), and it just made me think exactly what you're saying, how glad I am that someone's provided this.
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#123I'm really curious about the silkscreened ruler. Can anyone solve the mystery? https://blog.bolt.io/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/DSC02786-102... https://blog.bolt.io/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/DSC02791.jpg
It's placed over the antenna for the Bluetooth LE chip. I'm assuming it's related to antenna tuning/calibration.
That the ruler is related to the antenna tuning is the initial guess of the author too, but he is unsure.
But come to think of it, why is the PCB silk-screened in the first place? I don't think such a cheap board will ever get serviced by the manufacturer, and slikscreening is cheap but not free.
My guess is that it is "just in case". If something goes wrong, the silkscreen is there so that things can be fixed by an assembly line worker. And they identified incorrect antenna dimensions as a potential problem and left a ruler there. Turned out everything worked fine and the ruler wasn't necessary.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
I hated the Logitech driver, it's been a complete dumpster fire -- constantly disconnecting, disabling certain functionality, and just overall a pain to fight. Ended up switching to SteerMouse, the developer's been crazy responsive and even went out of the way to work on MX Master 3 compatibility + support Smart Zoom functionality when it wasn't even previously up for consideration.
I haven't heard about SteerMouse in over a decade. I didn't realize it was still around. I should check it out.
I have to use it because Apple, in it's infinite wisdom, does not offer the option to disable pointer acceleration in osx. Which is infuriating.
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#125Does the 3rd version fix the polling issues these mice have over Bluetooth? Using the receiver works fine, but over Bluetooth it feels very laggy and jerky to use. They don't offer a USB-C receiver yet. Here is what it looks like to draw a circle using each protocol: https://imgur.com/a/RP2oLcn
Which operating system are you using?
There was a regression in the Linux kernel regarding polling rate negotiation that was fixed not too long ago
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#126The scroll wheel in the Master 3 is totally broken. It doesn’t register scrolls properly. Within 10 seconds I noticed the issue. Same issue across multiple devices and OS’s too. Others have noticed too, like here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/d6yo5j/anyone_...
I returned mine and got a G604, which is a work of art, and you can load settings into on-board memory so you can delete the Logitech software after doing that.
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#127I love the Logitech hardware quality but I really wish they'd work on their software quality. I'm using a G502 at work right now with Logitech Gaming Software and the two completely baffling decisions they made with that software on macOS: 1. It has to be running. If I launch it for configuration and hit ⌘Q it stops working and my mouse reverts to the default. I have to remember to close the window instead, which lea…
Yep. The Windows 10 software is dire. If I RDP into my desktop machine the mouse lights up like a damn Christmas tree and won’t stop until I physically unplug it. It’s a cheap end G203 which I bought because it has a DPI switch on it so I can jump around easily when doing CAD stuff. I have considered cracking it open and desoldering the LEDs.
The G203 has onboard memory (which also includes RGB light state / startup effect and DPI steps), so once you have your settings right you can just store the profile in the mouse and uninstall the software.
The latest version of the Logitech software (G HUB) doesn't make this feature obvious though, you have to set a local profile then click the gear icon > my gear > click the mouse image > switch on on-board memory mode > click Slot 1 (Default) > click replace with [the profile you just customized, usually Desktop (default.)
The old Logitech Gaming Software was much simpler in this regard.
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#128My mouse progression since 2005 has been MX518 - G400S - G903. I used the G502 for a few days when it first came out, and couldn't stand it because it just felt...weird with my grip. It also made my hand hurt. I'm completely locked into Logitech since I just can't function without a free-scrolling scroll wheel, and they apparently have it patented. I tried some of their other newer mice without free-scrolling, and no…
I had MX500, G5, now using G700s.
Also locked into Logitech, but for weirder reason. When I’m using other mice for prolonged time (couple weeks), I start feeling pain in the MCP joint of the index finger (the left clicking one). Logitech mice don’t cause any issues.
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#129I just wish that MX Master 3 had a couple of extra buttons by the thumb. My 3 thumb buttons on my Logitech G500 are mapped to: Page Up, Page Down, and Back. Clicking and holding the Page Up button can rapidly take me back to the top of a page without moving my right hand to hit the home key on my keyboard. It's pretty useful, in my opinion, to be able to roughly and quickly scroll with Page Up/Down, then fine tune wi…
Thumb buttons are hugely under-rated in my opinion. Its the sole reason I bought my G600.
Thumb buttons + shift mode.
How has there not been wireless G600 yey.
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#130For those interested, Logitech recently resurrected [1] their most famous mouse. The MX518. At least I was able to now buy it from retailers in Europe :) I love it. Could never get used to the more bulk Logitech mice such as the one in OP. [1] https://www.techpowerup.com/review/logitech-g-mx518/
I still have a pair of G5 mice that I use at home and work. It’s good to see Logitech bringing back that design! Other than the MX Master 2S I carry around for mobile use, I’ve never had a mouse fit my grubby paws do perfectly. Other than a cable replacement and a switch cleaning, both of those original G5’s are still perfectly operational after over a decade of regular use.
Worth noting that even though the Logitech G502 looks very gamer-y, when you actually hold it, it feels like a G502/MX518.