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Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Post by TheSoftwareGuy »

bloopernova wrote: post #34

I just wish that MX Master 3 had a couple of extra buttons by the thumb. My 3 thumb buttons on my Logitech G500 are mapped to: Page Up, Page Down, and Back. Clicking and holding the Page Up button can rapidly take me back to the top of a page without moving my right hand to hit the home key on my keyboard. It's pretty useful, in my opinion, to be able to roughly and quickly scroll with Page Up/Down, then fine tune wi…

Thumb buttons are hugely under-rated in my opinion. Its the sole reason I bought my G600.

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Post by StavrosK »

whalesalad wrote: post #55
deanclatworthy wrote: post #7

For those interested, Logitech recently resurrected [1] their most famous mouse. The MX518. At least I was able to now buy it from retailers in Europe :) I love it. Could never get used to the more bulk Logitech mice such as the one in OP. [1] https://www.techpowerup.com/review/logitech-g-mx518/

The latest one makes my MacBook Pro emit an extremely annoying high pitched noise when moving. I think it’s due to the high refresh frequency of the mouse versus more traditional ones. It sounds like a squeaky wheel or a squealing (real, animal) mouse. Other mice do not cause this problem. I mask it out with noise canceling headphones but I’d love a nice mouse that doesn’t cause this behavior. I’ve tried ferrite loop…

I have the same problem! What the hell is that? I've been mystified at that noise for ages.

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Post by StavrosK »

type0 wrote: post #79
swozey wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had 3 of these mice over the years and each one eventually the cable would go bad/loose, I think including my G5, and I'm no fast twitch fps gamer. Looks like they changed he cable on this new one. Ironically I switched to the MX series (multiple mx2 and mx2s, home/work) and I absolutely love them apart from the problems I used to have where they'd stutter on every OSX machine I used them on. I haven't had that pro…

Are there any good mice with replaceable cable? I no longer buy keyboards without replaceable cable (usually mechanical), surely the same could be applied for mice, how would one combat obsolescence otherwise.

Aren't all cables replaceable if you have a soldering iron?

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Post by jakobegger »

nwah1 wrote: post #3
cmer wrote: post #2

I've been using the 2S for a while and just bought the MX 3 because I needed an extra mouse. They managed to improve an already near-perfect mouse. I just love the 3. Probably not worth ditching your 2S for, but nonetheless, a superb upgrade. I always felt the thumb buttons were awkward on the 2S and that has been rectified. The magnetic wheel is also really nice to use.

Yes, the thumb buttons seem much better. USB-C is an upgrade. Only thing that is missing is a wireless charging. Some competitors use Qi charging or a special mousepad, so there's never a need to plug it in. In 2010, Logitech released a solar-powered keyboard called the K750. Now that batteries and PV cells are improving, and low energy wireless technology is improving, I bet this would be less terrible. Also in 2010…

I've been waiting for Qi charging as well!

I love my original MX Master, but it really annoys me when I have to deal with that charging cable. USB-C might be a marginal improvement, but I' love to be able to just put the mouse on my Qi pad when I leave the office...

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Post by jesusthatsgreat »

I have an M510 and I love it but it needs to be taken apart and cleaned every year or so. It accumulates an insane amount of crap inside it which if left unchecked will eventually lead you to think there's a software issue or wireless interference as your pages scroll up and down randomly by themselves.

Most people probably just replace mice once they start acting up because they either don't want to bother cleaning it or else don't realise it can be taken apart and cleaned easily which fixes 99% of mice issues.

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Post by jakobegger »

css wrote: post #19

Does the 3rd version fix the polling issues these mice have over Bluetooth? Using the receiver works fine, but over Bluetooth it feels very laggy and jerky to use. They don't offer a USB-C receiver yet. Here is what it looks like to draw a circle using each protocol: https://imgur.com/a/RP2oLcn

Are you using any USB 3 devices? I had really bad problems with wireless mice and keyboards after I had gotten an USB 3 hub from Anker... Apparently USB 3 devices are prone to interfere with wireless devices in the 2.4GHz band

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Post by wlesieutre »

tesseract wrote: post #52
kraftman wrote: post #23

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They're both excellent mice, I really wish they would combine the best features of both: - battery life of the mx master - scrollwheel of the mx master - multi device of the mx master - bluetooth of the mx master - gesture button of the mx master - extra buttons of the g700 - data-over-usb of the g700 - AA battery support of g700 - on-device memory of g700

I switched from a G700s to an Elecom XGM20DL due to the G700s's poor battery life and terrible software (the Logitech gaming mouse drivers, at least on Mac OS, are dramatically worse than the mainstream mouse drivers). Unfortunately the build quality is pretty average, not as nice as the G700s was and nowhere near the MX Master series. It also doesn't have a built-in battery charger. I never liked the thumb button la…

If you want better software you could give SteerMouse a try:

https://plentycom.jp/en/steermouse/download.php

$20 purchase, but the 30 day demo should be enough to see if it works for you. I don’t know whether it will recognize all of the G700s’s buttons.

I’m just using the trackpad on Mac now, but I used SteerMouse back in the day and it was much better than the official drivers.

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Post by jagger27 »

jandrese wrote: post #6
nwah1 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the thumb buttons seem much better. USB-C is an upgrade. Only thing that is missing is a wireless charging. Some competitors use Qi charging or a special mousepad, so there's never a need to plug it in. In 2010, Logitech released a solar-powered keyboard called the K750. Now that batteries and PV cells are improving, and low energy wireless technology is improving, I bet this would be less terrible. Also in 2010…

The power density on WiFi is minuscule. FCC Regulations mean you can transmit at a max of 300mW only, and the power you receive is affected by the Inverse Square Law on top of that, so total delivered power to your device is fractions of a mW unless your wireless router is right next to the router. Even then the entire process tends to be rather inefficient on top of that so the math probably doesn't work out. The Qi…

Well a mouse is likely next to a couple of client devices (phone, laptop, smart watch) that each have their own radio. Maybe it adds up?

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Post by whalesalad »

mymindstorm wrote: post #75
whalesalad wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The latest one makes my MacBook Pro emit an extremely annoying high pitched noise when moving. I think it’s due to the high refresh frequency of the mouse versus more traditional ones. It sounds like a squeaky wheel or a squealing (real, animal) mouse. Other mice do not cause this problem. I mask it out with noise canceling headphones but I’d love a nice mouse that doesn’t cause this behavior. I’ve tried ferrite loop…

You can turn down the polling rate of the mouse using the software.

Then the sensitivity goes down and you gotta compensate by increasing the sensitivity elsewhere. Can never get it quite right.

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Post by whalesalad »

StavrosK wrote: post #82
whalesalad wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The latest one makes my MacBook Pro emit an extremely annoying high pitched noise when moving. I think it’s due to the high refresh frequency of the mouse versus more traditional ones. It sounds like a squeaky wheel or a squealing (real, animal) mouse. Other mice do not cause this problem. I mask it out with noise canceling headphones but I’d love a nice mouse that doesn’t cause this behavior. I’ve tried ferrite loop…

I have the same problem! What the hell is that? I've been mystified at that noise for ages.

Do you have an upgraded GPU? I think it’s the Radeon 560 in mine.
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