It's a bit odd that the products like Kubernetes came from Google Cloud but they themselves are struggling in the market.
Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud
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Who is the internal competitor to Google Cloud?
I don’t think Google internally uses GCP. So a direct competitor would be whoever runs the “real” google cloud that all the internal stuff.
Wait, what? GCP isn't just the productization of their internal infrastructure?
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This is a ridiculous interpretation. If Jeff Bezos sent an email to the company saying "We want retail revenue to increase by X% by 2023" would you assume that they'd shutter the whole thing if they didn't meet that goal? Of course not. Why is a goal and strategy for Google treated differently?
Google has a well established track record of killing things that aren't working out.
What was Reader's revenue? Were literally thousands of people working on it?
These are not really comparable worlds.
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it did! an entire generation of MBAs learned from jack welch, who popularized be #1 in anything you compete in (and if not, exit). for those interested in management fads, https://www.investors.com/news/management/leaders-and-succes...
We also have Jack Welch to thank for stack ranking (ranking the bottom X% of employees in any given team, no matter how elite they are, as "underperforming"). The self-inflicted damage management fads (and Welch's Ilk in particular) have caused to our economy is incalculable.
Wasn't he also the person responsible for "building up" GE Capital, i.e. the division that almost took down GE in late October - early November 2008?
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They could even sell most of the products they murder to someone else for millions. It would have cost Google more money to sell Reader than anyone would have bought it for.
That's a statement that cries out for analysis, although I'm not doubting you could be right still - it's not the kind of thing one just states without backing it up.
Where is RSS now? Are there products that filled the niche left by Reader?
No. The technology died. Isn't this clear evidence that the product was dead in the water?
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Most of those Google support stories aren't about GCP, though. It's things like app support, or Gmail support, etc.
People, me included, just remember Google doesn't support their products. I won't be arsed to consult a list of Google products and properties to see if this particular one is going to get support or not. If I buy something from Microsoft, I can contact Microsoft support. I don't have to roll the dice on it being actually supported by Microsoft, or only supported by other desperate users on an abandoned phpBB somewhe…
Figuring out whether a vendor will care about their customers in a given situation has a very simple, very universal "worst-case rule": if you're paying the vendor, and your "account" (in the financial sense) is typewise-indistinguishable from other accounts, of customers who pay the vendor ridiculously-huge amounts of money, then there will be a good support process for you.
Why? Because big-spender enterprise customers demand that vendors implement hand-holding red-carpet VIP support for them; and most of that work is, surprisingly enough, a capital cost, not an operational expense; and so you can free-ride on it as long as it's been set up.
On the other hand, if there is any way to typewise-differentiate you from the big-spender customers, then you'd better believe that they'll have support channels you don't have.
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#387I can't imagine a more damaging leak for Google Cloud. A company that's already notorious for abandoning projects now has a public date for when they'll abandon cloud. How could anyone in their right mind start building on GCP? They may as well shut it down today.
CTOs and CEOs who matter do not give shit about these sort of leaks. Google cloud is unlikely going anywhere because it is the same thing on which Google runs. Unless Google itself is shutting down the marginal cost of providing GCP to the rest of the world is less (still in billions though).
What would one prefer ? Google top brass not setting deadline to beat competition? Google not trying to be market leader ?
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#388Wow, this is a real indictment of goog’s plan to take the loot from ads and spend to diversify. They basically invented the cloud model, and if they don’t have the culture and the ability to expand to this most naturally of expansion areas.. they are doomed. There is something seriously broken at google. This puts Larry quitting in more context. He’s lost confidence in google doing this, then there is nothing left fo…
I agree with the general sentiment. It is staggering that they have spent at least 10s of billions if not > 100b trying to diversify away from ads and still do not have meaningful alternative revenue stream. It is one of the biggest mysteries to me. How is it possible to throw so much money and so many smart people at so many different problems and have no results? Microsoft and Amazon don't seem to have this problem but Facebook seems to suffer as well.
That being said, their advertising business is insanely successful. I suspect they could at least double their stock price (and thus the wealth of their investors) if they dumped their speculative bets and focus on ads. It is extremely profitable and revenue keeps growing > 20% from a large base.
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#390I can't imagine a more damaging leak for Google Cloud. A company that's already notorious for abandoning projects now has a public date for when they'll abandon cloud. How could anyone in their right mind start building on GCP? They may as well shut it down today.
Stadia would probably crumble alongside GCP by necessity too, right?
Stadia will be gone long before 2023.