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Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by Scriptor »

codingslave wrote: post #79

I still lay claim that google is not hiring the talent that they think they are or claim to be. With such huge budgets and failed product after failed product one has to wonder what is the genesis of their failings. Having met countless arrogant but mediocre engineers that leave Google after four years, I will bring up the old algorithms only hiring nets bad employees with good memories.

It's a little strange to me that otherwise experienced people feel the need to "study" for Google interviews.

To me, this seems less like they're selecting for good engineers and more like they're just selecting for people who really want Google on their resume.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by dralley »

one_electron wrote: post #103
lordnacho wrote: post #55

You have to wonder whether "must be number 1 or 2" came out of some pop-management text. What exactly is wrong with being on the list of potential cloud providers for almost every project? Have you ever been on a non-MS project where someone didn't at least mention GCP instead of AWS? Google being as profitable as it is can afford options. Why not sit around in number 3 spot?

it did! an entire generation of MBAs learned from jack welch, who popularized be #1 in anything you compete in (and if not, exit). for those interested in management fads, https://www.investors.com/news/management/leaders-and-succes...

We also have Jack Welch to thank for stack ranking (ranking the bottom X% of employees in any given team, no matter how elite they are, as "underperforming").

The self-inflicted damage management fads (and Welch's Ilk in particular) have caused to our economy is incalculable.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by the-pigeon »

mullingitover wrote: post #120
UncleMeat wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a ridiculous interpretation. If Jeff Bezos sent an email to the company saying "We want retail revenue to increase by X% by 2023" would you assume that they'd shutter the whole thing if they didn't meet that goal? Of course not. Why is a goal and strategy for Google treated differently?

Google has a well established track record of killing things that aren't working out.

Worst than that. Google only seems interested in huge successes.

Things like Google Reader had healthy user bases when Google came for them in the night.

They could even sell most of the products they murder to someone else for millions.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by londons_explore »

sneak wrote: post #33
achow wrote: post #21

Only way Google perhaps can take a lead in Cloud is if they invent a new paradigm - quantum cloud or something (just to illustrate the point). That is, change the game and not change themselves for the current game. Google just can't compete with hustlers like Amazon, Alibaba and to some extent Microsoft (ex-Oracle leader not withstanding). Cloud business is commodity operational business.

Just spitballing: what if they rented compute based on sandboxed access to the huge trove of behavioral and activity data they have on their users (which amounts to everyone who uses the web)? It would be the ultimate differentiator. The only potential competitor would be Facebook, who doesn’t offer cloud services.

It's next to impossible to do this at scale while maintaining user privacy.

There are some differential privacy techniques which might help, but so far they're rather hard to use and there is no tooling for such things.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

bitL wrote: post #50

Google Cloud could have easily dominated the market if they were willing to share their internal technology instead of knock-offs they offered. Now it's too late, competition improved their mediocre offerings and outside TPUs there is no advantage anymore.

It was my impression that the publicly-released versions are better than the originals. It's not that k8s is a knock-off of borg; k8s is a sort of borg 2.0, etc. Am I mistaken?

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by wlesieutre »

Analemma_ wrote: post #36

> If the company fails to achieve this goal, some staffers reportedly believe that Alphabet could withdraw from the market completely. If I was a paranoid person, I might think this article is a sinister plan from Amazon or Microsoft. A quote like this can easily become a self-fulfilling prophecy: managers are already wary about GCP because of Google's flaky reputation, hearing a quote like this could easily make it…

I think that's a hole Google dug for themselves, they don't need any help from Amazon or Microsoft

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by jey »

mongol wrote: post #23

Makes me very reluctant to build something in Google's cloud. Can they not see value in being third as long as it is profitable?

Yeah, why not play the long game by focusing on providing a great experience for developers? Enable today's hobbyists to start the companies of tomorrow on your platform, and let go of chasing the #1 spot with enterprise customers of today. Cloud computing as a market isn't going anywhere, and demand is only going to grow for the foreseeable future.

Google already has a leg up on this, their cloud offerings and APIs make a lot more sense than AWS.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by bananabreakfast »

scarface74 wrote: post #80
rumanator wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1) The article. That only means that the team's head is on the chopping block. That's all. > 2) How Google treats all of its other "underperforming" products. This assertion is utterly absurd as you're describing the world's third largest cloud provider, and thus one of the dominant players, of being "underperforming" and justifying pulling the plug on a 8 billion-dolar a year business.

Google is far from the world’s “third largest provider” https://www.techrepublic.com/article/public-cloud-market-sha... As far as the manager “being on the chopping block” the article talks about “losing funding”. $8 billion in revenue means nothing. Is it profitable? This is the same company that left an entire city’s streets in disarray after abandoning Google Fiber. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2…

Jesus, talk about hyperbole. "Far"? Trailing a couple percent behind Alibaba, a chinese only hosting provider? Get real
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