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2020 Cloud Report: AWS vs. GCP vs. Azure

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Re: 2020 Cloud Report: AWS vs. GCP vs. Azure

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Post by Kiro »

derefr wrote: post #64
unreal37 wrote: post #11

They calculated the costs based on 3 years running at the hourly rate. That's kinda weird. How about including multi-year discounts? These are available to everyone. [1] https://azure.microsoft.com/en-ca/pricing/reserved-vm-instan... [2] https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/reserved-instances/ [3] https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/instances/signing-up-c...

Elastic rates are really what you should be comparing when using cloud IaaS services, though. That's where the price works out in favor of using cloud IaaS hosts in the first place, after all. If you have a stable set of instances and a known lifetime for them, then, before trying to calculate whether AWS or GCP is cheaper, step back and plug those same numbers into a regular non-cloud DC managed-hardware-leasing pri…

> If you have a stable set of instances and a known lifetime for them

I do but I don't even know how to assemble my own computer, much less deal with bare metal for servers. I want to stay as far away from hardware as possible.

Re: 2020 Cloud Report: AWS vs. GCP vs. Azure

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Post by raxxorrax »

Kiro wrote: post #111
derefr wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elastic rates are really what you should be comparing when using cloud IaaS services, though. That's where the price works out in favor of using cloud IaaS hosts in the first place, after all. If you have a stable set of instances and a known lifetime for them, then, before trying to calculate whether AWS or GCP is cheaper, step back and plug those same numbers into a regular non-cloud DC managed-hardware-leasing pri…

> If you have a stable set of instances and a known lifetime for them I do but I don't even know how to assemble my own computer, much less deal with bare metal for servers. I want to stay as far away from hardware as possible.

You can just rent servers. My problem is that I don't know the CPU time I need to run my app. If you say an app needs 100 or 100,000,000 CPU hours a month, I wouldn't be able to really verify that.

I don't know how cloud providers even measure the CPU-time. Probably from VMs. What about services like logging, health-checks and load balancer? Is there a position for that too?

At the end of the month I get an invoice from my providers that say that I needed X processing power. I have to believe it and just accept the price if it is worth it.

I am sure there is elaborate performance monitoring software out there, but I doubt many developers really verify the bills they get.

Providers could just randomly add a few dollars on my bills and I heavily doubt that I would notice. Not wanting to give them any ideas here...

So a rented server in the end gives you much more control about unknowns related to costs. Doesn't mean it has to be cheaper and is as easy to maintain.

Re: 2020 Cloud Report: AWS vs. GCP vs. Azure

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Post by maest »

chirau wrote: post #84
adambyrtek wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like many similar problems, it's a cat and mouse game. For example, it's equally easy to detect adblockers, but they are still really effective.

Cockroach is a DB company. Customer acquisition cost is in the thousands if not tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands. The steps I mentioned above are what, maybe a few hundred dollars. Trust me, their lead generation pipeline most likely already subscribes to this and utilizes it with minimal concern. There are plenty of CRM tools that can flag out BS domains and/or low value not worth it domains. If you are a…

Your comment is particularly vitriolic.

I am squarely in their target demographic and yet refuse to provide my email. I like keeping noise low in my work inbox - if I will decide I'd like to buy something from cockroachDB, I'll approach them. It's purely negative value to have them approach me - I have never received any useful messages by being on a marketing list.

It takes way less than 5 minutes to generate a temporary email address.

Also, I fail to see how refusing to provide your email address correlates with frugality. If anything, people who are cheapskates would be happy to pay with anything but money.

Re: 2020 Cloud Report: AWS vs. GCP vs. Azure

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Post by latch »

zxcmx wrote: post #110
derefr wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note, I didn't say "your own DC", I said managed hosting . As in, leasing a physical 2U server from a DC provider (just not a cloud DC provider), that you "temporarily own" (sort of like you "temporarily own" a condo you're leasing), but where the DC staff still has BMC access to the box, and will handle hardware going bad, etc., so you never have to drive out to the DC. You know, the primary offering of DC providers…

Bit of an aside, but a lot of people in AWS or Azure can't run their workloads in Hetzner, OVH or what-have-you for compliance / paperwork related reasons. Now SoftLayer I'm not so sure about - interested to hear from anyone offering services to say, gov or health from managed hosting and how that compares cost and experience-wise to AWS, Azure, GCP.

I've never had to deal with this, but there are tens of thousands of managed providers out there, so I figured some of them must have this type of compliance.

The first two that I looked at, Hivelocity and ReliableSite both seem to have a number of certifications, as does our current provider, LeaseWeb.

Is there a specific certification that's really sets AWS/Azure/GCP apart?

Re: 2020 Cloud Report: AWS vs. GCP vs. Azure

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Post by adambyrtek »

chirau wrote: post #84
adambyrtek wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like many similar problems, it's a cat and mouse game. For example, it's equally easy to detect adblockers, but they are still really effective.

Cockroach is a DB company. Customer acquisition cost is in the thousands if not tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands. The steps I mentioned above are what, maybe a few hundred dollars. Trust me, their lead generation pipeline most likely already subscribes to this and utilizes it with minimal concern. There are plenty of CRM tools that can flag out BS domains and/or low value not worth it domains. If you are a…

Ad budgets are much bigger portion of acquisition cost than content marketing. Do you have an equally emotional reaction to people who decide to use ad blockers?

Re: 2020 Cloud Report: AWS vs. GCP vs. Azure

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Post by retrovm »

zielmicha wrote: post #109
retrovm wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's adorable that you think batteries and dual PSUs are something that makes a node more reliable, rather than less reliable.

What's the point of dual PSU if not reliability?

I'm not sure what the point is, actually. The variety of things that can go wrong with them is astonishing. For one thing, among many others, BMC cards will power-cap the max clock speed of CPUs when a machine is running on only one PSU, which can cause a degradation that's worse than if the machine had just halted. There are a zillion other edge cases like that.
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