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Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Re: Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Post by pjc50 »

kempbellt wrote: post #45
korabas wrote: post #8

Honest question: what would be the rationale to prevent farmers from repairing their machinery themselves instead of through the manufacturer (in this case, Deere)? To my mind, from the point of view of the "user" (i.e. the farmer), that can be seen as somewhat monopolistic. I tried to find similarities between this situation and that of Apple not letting users tamper with their hardware, but it could be argued that…

I'm for right-to-repair, but I'll give it a shot in defense of manufacturers. A lot of people assume it's just "evil-corp" greed. All of these reasons are money based, but not necessarily malicious. Liability: If a customer repairs a machine improperly and it causes more problems, or someone gets hurt, it can paint the manufacturer in a bad light. Many farmers know how to operate a tractor safely, but might not know…

The only one of those that has a point may be liability.

In both the other cases, people will happily reverse engineer the documentation and create secondary supply chains. The company has to go out of their way to shut both of those down. Not to mention hardware-DRM measures.

Re: Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Post by boredishBoi »

ProZsolt wrote: post #66
aguyfromnb wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This month, Google shipped the last update for my Pixel phone. The hardware is functional and in great shape, but I don't think there are any truly viable ways for me to keep it secure. The same thing happened recently with the Chromebook I purchased for my significant other. She's a very light computer user, so we thought it was a perfect device. It was great, until one day she received a message saying, essential…

You should get ~7 years of update. Here you can check: https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/6220366?hl=en I think it should be more, but it's on par with MacBooks

Actually MacBooks get 6/7 years from when Apple stops selling them. In contrast, the timer starts as soon as the first Chromebook with that cpu is released. It was a nasty surprise when I found that out

Re: Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Post by p1necone »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #100

Thinking of who wouldn't vote for right to repair I can only come up with: 1. leaders of companies that would be adversely affected by right to repair 2. perhaps employees of same companies but that seems iffy as I doubt the adverse effects would be so great as to threaten employment. 3. People who actually think that although it would be to their benefit to have a right to repair there is an encroachment on a compan…

I don't know, Americans seem to be relatively more in favor of allowing corporations to screw them than many other countries.

Re: Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Post by Pigo »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #100

Thinking of who wouldn't vote for right to repair I can only come up with: 1. leaders of companies that would be adversely affected by right to repair 2. perhaps employees of same companies but that seems iffy as I doubt the adverse effects would be so great as to threaten employment. 3. People who actually think that although it would be to their benefit to have a right to repair there is an encroachment on a compan…

How does John Deere advocate for their position? Is it about protecting trade secrets or keeping the machines in better condition for possible resale? Or did they just stay quiet because they knew they were in the wrong?

Whatever it might be, I'm sure I would disagree with it, but I'd be curious how they try to justify it. Especially when you're talking about farmers, who have an extreme DIY culture.

Re: Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Post by rollerboi »

ISL wrote: post #14

Right to repair is increasingly hitting people outside of agrarian/industrial contexts. This month, Google shipped the last update for my Pixel phone. The hardware is functional and in great shape, but I don't think there are any truly viable ways for me to keep it secure. I have a tablet that long-ago met the same fate. This is in the same world where I can 'apt-get update' my seven-year old desktop and work with ap…

Saw this on a YC thread a while back, but I keep witnessing examples of it every couple weeks:

https://alexdanco.com/2019/10/26/everything-is-amazing-but-n...

Everything is amazing but nothing is ours.

Re: Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Post by getpolarized »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #100

Thinking of who wouldn't vote for right to repair I can only come up with: 1. leaders of companies that would be adversely affected by right to repair 2. perhaps employees of same companies but that seems iffy as I doubt the adverse effects would be so great as to threaten employment. 3. People who actually think that although it would be to their benefit to have a right to repair there is an encroachment on a compan…

The same reason millions of Americans voted for "trickle down" and other irrational economic decisions. They're overly manipulated by propaganda.

Re: Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Post by sangnoir »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #100

Thinking of who wouldn't vote for right to repair I can only come up with: 1. leaders of companies that would be adversely affected by right to repair 2. perhaps employees of same companies but that seems iffy as I doubt the adverse effects would be so great as to threaten employment. 3. People who actually think that although it would be to their benefit to have a right to repair there is an encroachment on a compan…

> Have I missed anyone?

"Security-minded" folk who insist corporates should have full control of their device via signed code from pre-boot, incidentally preventing "non-authorised" replacement parts from working since repair is an attack vector, allegedly.

Re: Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Post by dreamingincode »

daveheq wrote: post #104

But what about a corporation's right to replace? People having their right to repair infringes on a corporation's right to make you replace your stuff. You're stepping all over their rights by not wanting to be forced to have them replace your broken stuff.

Why do cooperations have the right to replace people's stuff? People bought it and it's their own.

Re: Nebraska farmers vote overwhelmingly for Right to Repair

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Post by daveheq »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #100

Thinking of who wouldn't vote for right to repair I can only come up with: 1. leaders of companies that would be adversely affected by right to repair 2. perhaps employees of same companies but that seems iffy as I doubt the adverse effects would be so great as to threaten employment. 3. People who actually think that although it would be to their benefit to have a right to repair there is an encroachment on a compan…

Yes, profits are threatened when rights to repair are allowed, and without profits nobody has a job nor can feed their family. That's why we need small government to get out of the way and make people replace their stuff rather than repair it. It's a basic human corporate right to make people buy more stuff from manufacturers rather than repair or buy parts, and freedom is threatened when people are allowed this choice.
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