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JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by formercoder »

edanm wrote: post #202
dehrmann wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a jetbrains ide can do are just much better than what my custom setup could do I get frustrated by people who insist on a complex vi/emacs setup for something Jetbrains IDEs do better out of the box. Or people who insist Sublime is good for editing their complex React project.

I mainly use vim and occasionally use Jetbrains. My setup in vim is super complex. I can tell you exactly how I feel about it: Vim is a better text editor than anything else. By far. Unfortunately, vim is terrible at basically everything else. The problem is, once you learn to use vim's text editing capabilities, then editing code using anything else feels like a pain. I'm not talking about variable lookups / etc. I'…

I always found Jetbrains + vim plugin to be unparalleled. A good friend swears by spacemacs but that’s a different ballgame.

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Post by GordonS »

TeamMCS wrote: post #75

Shame they had to sell out with their bullshit subscription model

I disagree, although when they first switched to this model (a good while back now), I had the same reaction as you.

On reflection, I think it's a fair model, and fair pricing. They even reduce the renewal price if you renew after the 1st and 2nd years (maybe even more, I don't recall exactly).

Fact is that I love JetBrains products, so I want them to stick around - I want to pay using a subscription model, because that will make it a whole lot more likely.

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Post by rsynnott »

keymone wrote: post #96

It’s hard for me to praise Jetbrains, every time I start using Idea I have amazing experience, I feel like it’s totally one of the best IDEs out there and then couple days and non-trivial plugins later I have noticeable lags when typing text . I immediately give up and switch back to my previous setup. Why can’t IDEs prioritize reducing typing latency? That’s like one of the most important parts of text editing. Anyb…

I’ve found it to be generally pretty good for latency recently, though it did have serious issues on MacOS at least a few years back. Certainly far better than VS Code.

(On a 2016 15” work MBP and a 2016 13” home one)

One thing you may find useful if you have the memory is raising the max heap size a bit. The default is inadequate for very large projects IME.

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Post by Semaphor »

benibela wrote: post #151

By the way, what is the difference between IDEA and Android Studio? When you want to do Android and non-Android development, do you need both IDEs, or can one fully replace the other?

Android Studio is a special build of IDEA focusing on Android. It’s like PyCharm. You get IDEA with some features removed and certain plugins pre-installed and defaults set. Personally I like using their specific IDE’s for their tasks, but I could imagine that you can easily replace Android Studio with IDEA and not have any difference (besides more features being available).

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Post by optimiz3 »

thijsvandien wrote: post #192
kevindong wrote: post #179

I'm a big fan of the way JetBrains sells their licenses. Like a lot of software companies nowadays, they only sell licenses on a subscription basis. But with a very customer-friendly clause of where if you pay for a subscription for 12 months you get a perpetual license for the latest version of the product when you initially subscribed. And then after paying for any particular version of a product for 12 months, you…

True; that's the only subscription model I find acceptable for software that hardly changes in meaningful ways. For example, I refuse to upgrade Git Tower to version 3 as a protest against fournova's new licensing. Up to that point, I was a loyal customer and product advocate, basically buying every upgrade anyway, but by my own choice. Instead, I'll be on version 2 "forever", despite all its flaws. It was even worse…

Same here for Adobe Creative Suite; still on version 6 (perpetual license), which I run in a Virtual Machine due to support end-of-life.

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Post by rsynnott »

throw_away wrote: post #76

I want to like JetBrains and paid for an ultimate subscription for years, but this four-year-old bug renders their products pretty much unusable on macs with a 5k display: https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/JBR-526 . Thus, I've canceled my subscription and moved to vscode for most development.

I thought that was fixed? I used to have it with a 2x 4K display, and it was BAD, but it went away a couple of years ago.

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Post by lonelappde »

_bxg1 wrote: post #168
justsid wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP is litereally ranting about people using text editors for tasks that IDEs excell at, and you are suggesting another text editor.

VSCode markets itself as a text editor, but really it's an IDE, especially if you're using TypeScript.

VScode calls itself a Code Editor, not text editor

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Post by on_and_off »

_bxg1 wrote: post #164

I used Eclipse at a Java shop for about a year, and then they bought me an IntelliJ license. It was night and day. IntelliJ was a dream. And not just because of features; it was smoother and it had an Apple level of cohesive, thoughtful user design.

I remember when I was able to make the switch from Eclipse to the first beta of Android Studio.

This was night and day as well !

Sadly, I feel that the experience has degraded a LOT since then.

IntelliJ did not technically get worse, the typical Android build just grew in complexity way faster than IntelliJ optimizations could follow.

Same thing with Gradle actually. It has been getting significantly faster. But if during the 6 months you spent in order to speed up gradle by 30 % the typical build complexity has increased by 50%; sadly it means that you are losing.

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Post by rsynnott »

sysbin wrote: post #21
friedman23 wrote: post #6

I love jet brains but I'll say this. Their software is part of the reason I paid for 32 GB of ram on my new macbook pro.

How great is the 32 GB of ram? I have a 2017 macbook pro. I don't ever develop on a desktop machine to be able to know what I'm missing out on by only having 16 GB.

Check how much swap you’re using. If it’s very little, the answer is “not very”.

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Post by dd36 »

optimiz3 wrote: post #215
thijsvandien wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True; that's the only subscription model I find acceptable for software that hardly changes in meaningful ways. For example, I refuse to upgrade Git Tower to version 3 as a protest against fournova's new licensing. Up to that point, I was a loyal customer and product advocate, basically buying every upgrade anyway, but by my own choice. Instead, I'll be on version 2 "forever", despite all its flaws. It was even worse…

Same here for Adobe Creative Suite; still on version 6 (perpetual license), which I run in a Virtual Machine due to support end-of-life.

Intuit Quickooks is same way. Hasn’t substantively changed in 20 years but they stop you from importing new data if you don’t update to latest every 3 years. They need some real competition.
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