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JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by toyg »

conradfr wrote: post #102
stevehiehn wrote: post #48

Nice, Intellij (avec GoPlugin) is the only dev tool I pay for out of pocket. The vast majority of the company I'm at uses VSCode (for mostly GoLang & Typescript). So I don't want to make the case to have them pay for it. But 40hrs/w of my existance is spent in a IDE/editor and IMO its totally worth it to pay for the one I feel most productive with.

I have a tiny Go program that I very rarely touch and was quite happy with the go plugin ... until they launched their full blown Go IDE and disabled the plugin in their other IDEs. I understand why but I'm still a bit sour. And that's how I finally tried VSCode.

> disabled the plugin in their other IDEs

Wut? The plugin is there. I installed it in IDEA without any problems just two weeks ago. Then again, I have an Ultimate subscription, I don't know if the free versions are held back.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by toyg »

coliveira wrote: post #55
ibobev wrote: post #41

The single most feature I hate about their products is their reliance on JVM, which makes them memory hungry and slow on older machines. :)

Agreed. I hate using Java apps on the desktop. It is OK if your target is java itself, but I wouldn't start a java app to develop Python or some other language.

> I wouldn't start a java app to develop Python

Have you ever used PyCharm? It's head and shoulders better than any other IDE for Python out there. A slight delay whenever you restart is worth the productivity improvements it grants the rest of the time.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by sepbot »

throw_away wrote: post #76

I want to like JetBrains and paid for an ultimate subscription for years, but this four-year-old bug renders their products pretty much unusable on macs with a 5k display: https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/JBR-526 . Thus, I've canceled my subscription and moved to vscode for most development.

It's disappointing to see bugs slowly creep into their products and stay version over version. I have the All Products Pack and most versions are currently pinned to 2019.1.4 which has the most bearable balance of bugs and new features.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by GordonS »

GordonS wrote: post #7
enitihas wrote: post #5

Jetbrains products are awesome though. I used to use a heavily customized vim which was a pretty good setup, but the things a jetbrains ide can do are just much better than what my custom setup could do. I pay for a personal subscription and couldn't be happier. I will recommend everyone to atleast give their products a try. They have a free trial period.

I'm also a big of of their products, and pay for a persnal subscription for Rider, ReSharper, DotMemory, DotTrace and DotCover. Rider is absolutely stuffed with features, and is way more stable and performant than Visual Studio. I also like the way your renewal gets cheaper every year, as a kind of loyalty bonus. I honestly had no idea they were making so much revenue - very pleased to see it though!

Oh, and a special mention is deserved for Rider's git merge UI, which is by far the best I've used.

It's based on 3 window panes: you get your code on the left, theirs on the right, and the result in the middle, along with tools for accepting changes from either side, and you can edit the result pane at will too.

I've never liked the git merge UIs in VS or VS code (or other IDEs I've tried over the years) - Rider's is perfect for me.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by slenk »

greenyoda wrote: post #126
slenk wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have some proof? Otherwise it seems you are just posting to cause controversy. I feel this goes against a lot of the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html edit: my apologies for the assumptions and most likely breaking the guidelines myself

The guidelines also say: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith." In this case, assuming good faith would be assuming that @ordx is stating a fact that they're aware of, not trying to stir up controversy. If you were interested in finding out how they knew that, you could politely ask them what their source of info…

Good point

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by wolco »

masklinn wrote: post #115
nindalf wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man why you gotta do Firefox dirty like that? Firefox is absolutely the best browser IMO. Unlike Eclipse, which is acceptable but doesn’t hold a candle to JetBrains.

> Unlike Eclipse, which is acceptable That's a nice way of saying it's a trash fire.

Eclipse is gimp Jetbrains is photoshop.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by madhadron »

big_chungus wrote: post #47
FpUser wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also tried their CLion and was somewhat disappointed. Slow in places, sometime stalls, bugs here and there. Ended up using CodeLite and Qt designer

I have used CLion, and would say JetBrains did an excellent job with making a C IDE. The issue is that C is not much of an "IDE language"; my experience has always been to just use a text editor (vim or vscode), and it seems to be the same for most C devs I know. Looking at newer languages, they seem to pair closely with IDEs; I'm still not a big IDE guy, but most use them for python, java, etc. I'm not enough of an…

> The issue is that C is not much of an "IDE language"

This isn't an issue with the language so much as it is with the build systems, includes, library paths, and tooling.

Compare to Java (set the classpath to exactly the artifacts you want and IntelliJ uses its own build system unless you explicitly tell it otherwise), Python (set up a virtualenv with exactly what you want and PyCharm handles its own builds, insofar as Python builds).

In C on Windows and Unix you have to figure out how to find and address includes and libraries in a cross platform way. CMake is probably the best bet. If they were in the position of, say, TurboC back in DOS days where they provided stdlib and you added everything else you wanted, they could do as good a job as for Java.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by sooheon »

chrisseaton wrote: post #103
braindongle wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can anyone comment on the state of Vim emulation in Vscode? I'm in Android Studio largely because of its support for my .vimrc, without which I can not live. But I see[1] that there have been recent commits related to this in Vscode. How good is it? Other thoughtful comparisons between life in JetBrains world vs Vscode welcome as well. [1] https://github.com/VSCodeVim/Vim/commit/3158194561fa2fba921b...

> my .vimrc, without which I can not live How did you become unable to do basic text editing without a specific editor setup? Why do people become so dependent on tools?

Man is a tool using animal. Anyone else could take your lament and turn it around on something you depend on every day.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by criddell »

conradfr wrote: post #105
TeamMCS wrote: post #75

Shame they had to sell out with their bullshit subscription model

You are downvoted but I kind of agree. I don't think their IDEs improved a lot / more since the subscriptions. Indexing is still a resource hog, RAM usage out of control etc. I also dislike their insistence on copying the grey Adobe's UIs.

I think their model is pretty fair. You subscribe and then are entitled to use that version forever, even if you end your subscription. What you gain in the subscription is the right to use newer versions.

For the stuff I really rely on, I feel good knowing there's a reasonable business model behind it. The ultimate version is $500 / year or $149 / year for business and personal respectively. For a lot of use cases, it doesn't need to save you very much time to pay for itself.

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