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If you're wondering, the "6M users / 405k customers" comes from the Community editions of PyCharm and IntellJ (maybe also Android Studio) and their free-for-students offer[0] ( which I would imagine is a big part of getting companies who hire college grads to license JB products). 0: https://www.jetbrains.com/student/
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You can also just search for their EAP programs and get them for free that way too.
This is a great tip! I had no idea. Free beta (alpha?) builds: https://www.jetbrains.com/resources/eap/
Also if you take part in a prerelease EAP (before the product is 1.0) (and your feedback is constructive and valuable enough) Jetbrains might gift you a license. That's how I got my first year of PyCharm (well my first year after the EAP ended anyway).
I'm absolutely pleased with these numbers. This gives confidence that JetBrains has products that are used by a market of paying customers who are developers from companies big and small. Not even raising capital is impressive since these days, we have news of startups / companies with zero profit raising cash every 6 months and on each funding round, they forfeit control of their companies. With these numbers, this…
I think it's a generally frugal market even if some of us are flush with a bit of cash. There's a lot you can get done for free with various FOSS stacks, and outside of highly specialized tools that aren't easy to replicate in features/availability/guarantees, I think it's a hard market to get a foot in, because the power of NIH is so strong. Things like IDEs, or security services, that take either a very slow burn o…
I think that's unkind. The product they had when they started (IDEA) was so much better than the competition, that it felt like magic. Yes, they rode the Java wave, but there have been other waves since then (Ruby, Python...) and nobody really managed to replicate for those markets the same experience of productivity jump that JetBrains managed back then.
Meanwhile, JetBrains have done it again with PyCharm, which is the Python IDE and has been consistently ahead of the competition literally from day 1. They entered a market where others had been for more than a decade, and ran away with it. That's just skill, not timing. By the time Python exploded in popularity, they were the obvious choice already. The fact that they can even field competitive products in the Microsoft space, where the gold-standard of IDEs has existed for 25+ years, is testament to their talent.
They've also legitimized a subscription-based approach to software-development tools, which will make it much easier for anyone to compete with them. A "new JetBrains" would find it much easier to develop an IDE today and get paid for it, which wasn't the case 20 years ago. The problem is really that very few people seem to think they can deliver a jump in developer productivity of the sort we've seen with IDEA back then.
I love IntelliJ but I am constantly switching between PyCharm and WebStorm, which is quite annoying since I end up doing python and javascript in both. I wish they one modular product instead of many, many slightly different products. Edit: I'm learning in the comments below that IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate gives you the capabilities of the other products all together. This sounds great! I'm going to try it.
> I love IntelliJ but I am constantly switching between PyCharm and WebStorm, which is quite annoying since I end up doing python and javascript in both. I wish they one modular product instead of many, many slightly different products. That's IntelliJ IDEA. Though it seems completely unnecessary, PyCharm (non-CE) should contain all the features of WebStorm (sometimes with a bit of lag).
I wish they had a way of building an IDE in a completely modular way. Then again, maybe it would end up as bad as Eclipse...
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The community edition is Apache licensed, https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community it has no trial period, you own it forever.
You can build it from source also - I did it several years ago, easy enough.
JetBrains announces that IntelliJ is going Open Source.
I checkout the code, build it (~20ish minutes) inside of the downloaded bits, launch the newly compiled IDE, build the repo source again this time debugging IntelliJ from within itself. All in less than an hour, with no hiccups. Amazing.
I love JetBrains so damn much it hurts.
They are registered in Prague, but it's mostly Russian company. Depending on your line of business, this may or may not be an issue.
Do you have some proof? Otherwise it seems you are just posting to cause controversy. I feel this goes against a lot of the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html edit: my apologies for the assumptions and most likely breaking the guidelines myself
In this case, assuming good faith would be assuming that @ordx is stating a fact that they're aware of, not trying to stir up controversy. If you were interested in finding out how they knew that, you could politely ask them what their source of information was, without implying that they have ulterior motives.
I love IntelliJ but I am constantly switching between PyCharm and WebStorm, which is quite annoying since I end up doing python and javascript in both. I wish they one modular product instead of many, many slightly different products. Edit: I'm learning in the comments below that IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate gives you the capabilities of the other products all together. This sounds great! I'm going to try it.
Are PyCharm and WebStorm different from the other JetBrains products? Usually the products are nothing more than a collection of IntelliJ Ultimate plugins that are packaged up and sold separately. In other words, what you want to buy is Ultimate.
That's not really true. The experience you get from, e.g. PyCharm and GoLand is substantially better than what you get from IDEA + Python plugin or IDEA + Go plugin. Yes, the plugin will get you 85% of the way there, but it will feel more clumsy and hacky than just using the dedicated product.
It’s hard for me to praise Jetbrains, every time I start using Idea I have amazing experience, I feel like it’s totally one of the best IDEs out there and then couple days and non-trivial plugins later I have noticeable lags when typing text . I immediately give up and switch back to my previous setup. Why can’t IDEs prioritize reducing typing latency? That’s like one of the most important parts of text editing. Anyb…
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I came to say this. That $270M revenue is backed by a #1 product line. I first tried PHPStorm back in 2014 after I got tired of the wonky debugging capability in Eclipse. I still think Eclipse is a really important project in the way that JetBrains is the Google of IDEs and Eclipse is maybe the Firefox, and we need Firefoxes.
Man why you gotta do Firefox dirty like that? Firefox is absolutely the best browser IMO. Unlike Eclipse, which is acceptable but doesn’t hold a candle to JetBrains.
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I'm also a big of of their products, and pay for a persnal subscription for Rider, ReSharper, DotMemory, DotTrace and DotCover. Rider is absolutely stuffed with features, and is way more stable and performant than Visual Studio. I also like the way your renewal gets cheaper every year, as a kind of loyalty bonus. I honestly had no idea they were making so much revenue - very pleased to see it though!
I also enjoy DotPeek a lot more than the other .NET decompilers out there. I bought Rider, hoping the Visual Studio emulations would satisfy me (I use Visual Studio at work, but run linux at home) but sadly I have been unable to get it to work.
A while back JetBrains made Rider more themable (prior to that update, you could only really theme the editor, not the file explorer etc). After that update, it looks great with a dark theme enabled!
I'm on mobile now, but if I remember later I'll mention the name of the theme I'm using - it's pretty close to VS's dark theme.