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Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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I can’t tell you how many times my use of very vanilla Emacs with zero jedi / autocomplete / search features has saved me in my career. It’s so critical to use text editors for software development and extract all other functionality to separate shell tools. If a mix of very simple vim or Emacs + grep / git grep / silver searcher + CLI tools for automatic linting, test cases, etc., isn’t efficient for you, and motiva…

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You can switch between the less-than and greater-than sign using '%' key in vim. I bet no other ide can do that.

Vim is the javascript of text editors.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

#92
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I'm absolutely pleased with these numbers. This gives confidence that JetBrains has products that are used by a market of paying customers who are developers from companies big and small. Not even raising capital is impressive since these days, we have news of startups / companies with zero profit raising cash every 6 months and on each funding round, they forfeit control of their companies. With these numbers, this…

I think it's a generally frugal market even if some of us are flush with a bit of cash. There's a lot you can get done for free with various FOSS stacks, and outside of highly specialized tools that aren't easy to replicate in features/availability/guarantees, I think it's a hard market to get a foot in, because the power of NIH is so strong. Things like IDEs, or security services, that take either a very slow burn or a lot of programming/design power are possibly the exception, and even then you can spoil it. A lot of people on here got upset when JetBrains moved from permanent licenses to a subscription service -- but in hindsight, I think it was the right move and it probably paid off! Think about that: you have a tool that is used in-and-out, like bread and butter, every day, like 30 hours a week -- and maybe, if you're lucky, a developer who makes 6 figures will say "ok I'll pay $200 a year i guess" or whatever. It's kind of incredible! Of course corporate accounts do not bat an eye at this; in fact they like continuous support, renewals, and services. It keeps things regular.

It's very easy to look at JetBrains and say it can obviously work, just the same way people look at RedHat (or other outliers) and say it can work. They're a standout company in this space, and have high reputation, and it didn't come from nowhere. They almost make it look easy -- just sell a great product, boom! But it depends on a lot of factors like when they entered the market, how they grew over time, etc. It's possible they wouldn't be able to get off the ground today if they tried this whole thing again.

In fact I wouldn't be surprised if JetBrains existence, happening before the whole VC craze, has in fact influenced the market itself, today: even with millions of dollars of VC funny money, it would probably be very difficult to compete with them on their turf in 2019, when they have extremely high reputation and a big array of products, in a market that is a very "small world". They're the 900lb gorilla in the room, in a sense, but they did it on their own.

JetBrains products are amazing though, without a doubt, and they deserve their success. I wish them all the best.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

#93
post #75

Shame they had to sell out with their bullshit subscription model

I'm certainly sympathetic to the frustration of having to support every previous version of your software. If upgrades cost money, then people are incentivized to stay on old versions and then complain about bugs that have been fixed since then, and you can't tell them "just upgrade" because they don't want to pay to upgrade. Web companies almost never need to support old versions of the website, for example, and that makes them much easier to manage from an engineering and customer support standpoint.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

#94

If you're wondering, the "6M users / 405k customers" comes from the Community editions of PyCharm and IntellJ (maybe also Android Studio) and their free-for-students offer[0] ( which I would imagine is a big part of getting companies who hire college grads to license JB products). 0: https://www.jetbrains.com/student/

> I would imagine is a big part of getting companies who hire college grads to license JB products

It's a good idea because, at least in our company, all of the young kids who are fresh out of school use VS Code while most of the seasoned people use IntelliJ (obviously there is one senior person using VIM as required by developer stereotypes).

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

#95
post #75

Shame they had to sell out with their bullshit subscription model

I use Pycharm and it's such a superior product that I'm happy to support them so they can continuing development. plus it's a pretty nominal fee from an enterprise development cost perspective so it's an easy budgetary sell.

As others said, the community edition is free and extremely capable, so I don't see a reason to complain. It's fantastic that I can use my professional job to support development that benefits free users.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

#96
It’s hard for me to praise Jetbrains, every time I start using Idea I have amazing experience, I feel like it’s totally one of the best IDEs out there and then couple days and non-trivial plugins later I have noticeable lags when typing text. I immediately give up and switch back to my previous setup. Why can’t IDEs prioritize reducing typing latency? That’s like one of the most important parts of text editing.

Anybody else had similar experience?

Edit: not trying to rain on Jetbrains parade here, I’m genuinely happy they have a business model that works and products that sell well.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

#97

I badly want to use intellij for Rust and other languages. But the issue I smash up against is that years of Vscode + my customizations has made using any other editor terribly clunky. I can spend hours customizing the controls and UI but I still feel like someone handed me the keys to some old car made in a country that doesn't exist anymore. This in part revealed to me the cost associated with all the editor custom…

Can anyone comment on the state of Vim emulation in Vscode? I'm in Android Studio largely because of its support for my .vimrc, without which I can not live. But I see[1] that there have been recent commits related to this in Vscode. How good is it? Other thoughtful comparisons between life in JetBrains world vs Vscode welcome as well. [1] https://github.com/VSCodeVim/Vim/commit/3158194561fa2fba921b...

Update: Curious, I took Vscode for a spin again and installed the latest Vim plugin. Although .vimrc keybinding support is supposed to be there, I'm getting no love. So new ticket for the maintainers [1]. The thing is Vscode is SO snappy and slick, I'm going to switch anyway :)

[1] https://github.com/VSCodeVim/Vim/issues/4384

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

#98

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Oh boy. This is how I feel any time I touch a coworker's computer to try and peer program or help them out. I have so many shortcuts (Keyboard Maestro), workflows (Alfred 3), keybinding changes (Karabiner), and utility programs (Amethyst, Spectacle) on top of this IDE thing (I use intelliJ and coworkers use VSCode) that I immediately press a bunch of keys (out of muscle memory) and invariably something completely une…

If you pair program a lot you could export your Intellij settings and switch to that profile when you're on their machine. But it sounds like that only handles some of the changes that you'd need (you could move any of your Intellij related key bindings from Karabiner into Intellij to get a little closer).

Not sure IntelliJ can handle key mapping the same way as Karabiner - for example, my right option key (only the right one, not the left) is mapped to command + space. Good tip nevertheless!

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

#100

I love jet brains but I'll say this. Their software is part of the reason I paid for 32 GB of ram on my new macbook pro.

I'm one of those recent converts. I picked up programming in my late 30's and the first tool I ended up paying for was Pycharm. I never went through the 'print statement' phase as their debugger is incredible.
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