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Ramen restaurant prevalence is associated with stroke mortality in Japan

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Re: Ramen restaurant prevalence is associated with stroke mortality in Japan

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I’m reluctant to draw conclusions around nutrition based on this correlation, because ramen is so regional. (When I’m in the Japanese mountains, there’s no ramen - just udon and soba.)

I understand a huge portion of Japan’s ramen is in Tokyo. There are many human health factors with an outsize presence/lack-of-presence in Tokyo - like alcohol consumption, noise, overwork...

Re: Ramen restaurant prevalence is associated with stroke mortality in Japan

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Ramen is cheap, so there are more Ramen restaurants in poor areas, which have lower life expectancy? https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2017/01/31/low-socioeconom...

But is ramen cheap at ramen restaurants in Japan? I ask because I spent $17 on ramen in a large American city earlier this month.

I had some really great ramen recently in Tokyo. I would say the place was no fancier than... well... above Jimmy Johns under Olive Garden.

Downtown Tokyo, absolutely delicious ramen, $6 USD or so.

Re: Ramen restaurant prevalence is associated with stroke mortality in Japan

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Not surprising. In the China Study they also found a positive correlation between consumption of wheat flour and heart disease. (Some places in China eat mostly rice, others more wheat.) Any new guesses on the mechanism? Related: https://deniseminger.com/2010/09/02/the-china-study-wheat-an...

It's more likely the salt than the wheat. From the article: | The traditional Japanese diet was thought to increase stroke risk because of the heavy use of seasonings such as miso, salt, and soy sauce.

The science on sodium is far from settled

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People are just waking up to dangers of sugar, but too much salt is also not good, increasing blood pressure (see below link). Potassium can offset much of the affects but it’s surprisingly difficult to get even the US recommended amount every day. I’ve started using potassium salt instead of sodium salt in my cooking, and it feels great to kill two birds with one stone. Now I just need soy sauce and others without s…

WebMD? Seriously? The science on salt is quite debated, actually: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/heart-failure-and-salt-t...

For those of us who aren't medical practicioners - would you mind pointing explaining a bit further on "WebMD? Seriously?" as I had no idea it wasn't well regarded and am now curious as to why...

Re: Ramen restaurant prevalence is associated with stroke mortality in Japan

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But is ramen cheap at ramen restaurants in Japan? I ask because I spent $17 on ramen in a large American city earlier this month.

Yes, they are cheap. Usually around 600-1200 yen or $6-12 many of them reduce labor costs by having a vending machine outside where you get a token that indicates your order. https://livejapan.com/en/in-tokyo/in-pref-tokyo/in-asakusa/a... The current ramen fad in America relies on super rich broth, basically liquid bacon. There are many styles of ramen in Japan, ranging from super simple broths to the liquid bacon st…

How do I ask for the simple stuff? The liquid bacon gives me unfortunate digestion symptoms that should not be named.

Re: Ramen restaurant prevalence is associated with stroke mortality in Japan

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Ramen is cheap, so there are more Ramen restaurants in poor areas, which have lower life expectancy? https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2017/01/31/low-socioeconom...

But is ramen cheap at ramen restaurants in Japan? I ask because I spent $17 on ramen in a large American city earlier this month.

A $10 ramen is considered expensive in tokyo.

$6 is standard.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, they are cheap. Usually around 600-1200 yen or $6-12 many of them reduce labor costs by having a vending machine outside where you get a token that indicates your order. https://livejapan.com/en/in-tokyo/in-pref-tokyo/in-asakusa/a... The current ramen fad in America relies on super rich broth, basically liquid bacon. There are many styles of ramen in Japan, ranging from super simple broths to the liquid bacon st…

How do I ask for the simple stuff? The liquid bacon gives me unfortunate digestion symptoms that should not be named.

Some ramen joints in the states offer non pork broth ramen options. But I'm the states the options are predominantly pork

Re: Ramen restaurant prevalence is associated with stroke mortality in Japan

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But is ramen cheap at ramen restaurants in Japan? I ask because I spent $17 on ramen in a large American city earlier this month.

Yes, they are cheap. Usually around 600-1200 yen or $6-12 many of them reduce labor costs by having a vending machine outside where you get a token that indicates your order. https://livejapan.com/en/in-tokyo/in-pref-tokyo/in-asakusa/a... The current ramen fad in America relies on super rich broth, basically liquid bacon. There are many styles of ramen in Japan, ranging from super simple broths to the liquid bacon st…

I don’t think Americans invented tonkotsu broth.
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