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America’s First Amphetamine Epidemic 1929–1971 (2008)

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Addiction is a disease of loneliness.

Any other useless platitudes you'd like to share?

Your comment is needlessly hostile, FWIW. If you disagree with what they're saying, write a substantive response, even if only a couple of sentences.

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What's next, "America's caffeine epidemic"? Interspersed with all this pedantry is a smarmy judgement towards stimulants and COMPLETE LACK of context of the times, and a lack of any societal or species context that recognizes the BREATHTAKING ACHIEVEMENTS during said times of "Oh so bad bad we should be ashamed it's an epidemic!" There's an undercurrent here that is almost criminal. The sin is not excess, certainly a…

5mg of amphetamine, while a light dose, is much stronger than a strong cup of coffee.

How do you measure "strength"? It's probably more euphoric, might result in higher "alertness" (based on some arbitrary test), on the other hand though it probably wouldn't raise your heart rate more than the coffee, or your blood pressure.

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Addiction is a disease of loneliness.

Avoiding and staying out of HALT situations is an addiction recovery motto: Hungry, Angry, Lonely, Tired

Working on quitting nicotine right now, the only problem is when I don't have it I'm all of those besides Lonely.

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Sorry, but that's just one person. In what situation would you trust a study based on one person? I know, lots of people go crazy on meth. There is also god knows what else in street meth. There are so many people taking amphetamines that are successful and there are people taking prescription methamphetamine as well. Personally I wouldn't want to be on stimulants, long term, on a daily basis. But just because you kn…

>In what situation would you trust a study based on one person? Anytime someone else makes a blanket statement with no study (example: amphetamine doesn't make you crazy)...all you need is n=1 to disprove that.

But that requires demonstrating an actual casual relationship, not just a correlation.

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Do you want to reduce drug addiction? Make the world a better place. Everyone suffers so much. Loneliness, depression and anxiety and becoming more prevalent. These are increased risk factors for addiction.

I've long suspected that a lot of illegal drug usage is actually an attempt on self-medication

s/illegal//

Alcohol is a very popular form of self-medication.

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When Ronald Graham, a concerned friend and fellow mathematician, bet him [Erdos] $500 that he couldn’t stay off his drug of choice for a month, Erdos accepted and easily won the challenge. When the 30 days was up, Erdos said to Graham, “You’ve showed me I’m not an addict. But I didn’t get any work done. I’d get up in the morning and stare at a blank piece of paper. I’d have no ideas, just like an ordinary person. You’ve set mathematics back a month.” Erdos resumed taking amphetamines and did so for every day of his life until his death 17 years later.

https://turningpointtreatmentcenter.com/why-are-intelligent-...

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Are you familiar with the rat park experiment? You’re making claims directly supported by its findings. One of the most interesting was that happy rats who had pleasant quarters and social interaction would choose not to take drugs (morphine, iirc) even if they had used them previously. Pretty interesting stuff.

Johann Hari has written extensively on the subject in his book Connections. I am a little nervous to link to joe rogan here but fuck it, here's a good interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDpjvFn4wgM I do not 100% agree with Hari, who focuses almost exclusively on environmental factors. They are important but not the complete picture, IMO - there are physiological components too; alcohol dependency to me appears…

My understanding is that the Rat Park experiment couldn't be replicated, and is now not taken very seriously:

https://theoutline.com/post/2205/this-38-year-old-study-is-s...

And Johann Hari is universally understood to be an incorrigible charlatan.

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What's next, "America's caffeine epidemic"? Interspersed with all this pedantry is a smarmy judgement towards stimulants and COMPLETE LACK of context of the times, and a lack of any societal or species context that recognizes the BREATHTAKING ACHIEVEMENTS during said times of "Oh so bad bad we should be ashamed it's an epidemic!" There's an undercurrent here that is almost criminal. The sin is not excess, certainly a…

> Stimulants do NOT, in themselves, make you crazy. Perhaps. They do, however, have a pretty direct relationship with overly verbose writing and excessive use of all-caps formatting.

Amphetamines are performance enhancing drugs no doubt. But I don't think they are healthy in larger doses. They wear the user out.

But I assume many artistic people take them, and I think that is the Faustian deal with the Devil.

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Perhaps this is the answer to this question https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/

I tried to read it but didn't get the answer, I did get the good question: WTF happened in 1971?

I have a dark suspicion that it has something to do with the rise of computers, of information economy. When some people can take advantage of computers and others can't that leads to income disparity.

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