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America’s First Amphetamine Epidemic 1929–1971 (2008)

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#31

What's next, "America's caffeine epidemic"? Interspersed with all this pedantry is a smarmy judgement towards stimulants and COMPLETE LACK of context of the times, and a lack of any societal or species context that recognizes the BREATHTAKING ACHIEVEMENTS during said times of "Oh so bad bad we should be ashamed it's an epidemic!" There's an undercurrent here that is almost criminal. The sin is not excess, certainly a…

> Stimulants do NOT, in themselves, make you crazy.

Perhaps. They do, however, have a pretty direct relationship with overly verbose writing and excessive use of all-caps formatting.

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What's next, "America's caffeine epidemic"? Interspersed with all this pedantry is a smarmy judgement towards stimulants and COMPLETE LACK of context of the times, and a lack of any societal or species context that recognizes the BREATHTAKING ACHIEVEMENTS during said times of "Oh so bad bad we should be ashamed it's an epidemic!" There's an undercurrent here that is almost criminal. The sin is not excess, certainly a…

Typically our bladders protect us from meaningful abuse of caffeine.

Amphetamines are super addictive and are prone to abuse. You build a tolerance and chase either euphoria or that increased alertness. In military context, the operations surrounding German conquest of France and allied bombing campaigns meaningfully benefited from speed. But there was a pretty significant and trivially measurable human cost to the soldiers who used them heavily.

Check out the book "Blitzed" for an interesting history of it's use in WW2.

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post #16

It’s always interesting to me how illegal drugs wax and wane in popularity. We like to blame opioid over-prescribing for the surge in opioid use, but there was also a heroin “epidemic” in the 1970’s that slowly petered out as cocaine became the focus in the 80’s.

They are pretty similar events. Cheap opium started coming in from Southeast asia in the 70s in the wake of Vietnam.

Over-prescribing led to dependency, and the higher cost and other difficulties in getting prescriptions drove many users to cheaper, more dangerous black market alternatives. (especially synthetics like Fentanyl.)

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#34
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Human’s have a few characteristics that make them prone to seeing things in a distorted way. The first is thinking they live in unique times - “it’s never been like this before”, when in fact every generation has existential threats. The second is perspective and looking at the past with rose colored glasses. No, the 1970’s were actually a really depressing time to be living in the US and yes, the boomers had to live…

A crippling financial crisis, an unpopular war and a crook for president...

You're talking about the 70's right?

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#35
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dated someone with a meth problem for five years and would disagree with you. Meth completely changes a person's personality. I think all drugs should be legal and think humans have done amazing things with/on drugs. I've also seen this go horribly awry and witnessed some absolutely insane things from people on speed. There's a lot more to it than simply a lack of sleep. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimulant_ps…

Sorry, but that's just one person. In what situation would you trust a study based on one person? I know, lots of people go crazy on meth. There is also god knows what else in street meth. There are so many people taking amphetamines that are successful and there are people taking prescription methamphetamine as well. Personally I wouldn't want to be on stimulants, long term, on a daily basis. But just because you kn…

>In what situation would you trust a study based on one person?

Anytime someone else makes a blanket statement with no study (example: amphetamine doesn't make you crazy)...all you need is n=1 to disprove that.

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#36

What's next, "America's caffeine epidemic"? Interspersed with all this pedantry is a smarmy judgement towards stimulants and COMPLETE LACK of context of the times, and a lack of any societal or species context that recognizes the BREATHTAKING ACHIEVEMENTS during said times of "Oh so bad bad we should be ashamed it's an epidemic!" There's an undercurrent here that is almost criminal. The sin is not excess, certainly a…

Man this sounds like the rant of someone hopped up on goofballs.

Tell me what transpires when society loses the tradition of staying amped on uppers for the sake of success?

Let's say society kind of forgets that all success depends on speed, and the next generation isn't clued in on the reality that all prior achievements were the result of maxing out doses?

They try to do it sober, and can't, and don't understand why.

What then?

Re: America’s First Amphetamine Epidemic 1929–1971 (2008)

#38

What's next, "America's caffeine epidemic"? Interspersed with all this pedantry is a smarmy judgement towards stimulants and COMPLETE LACK of context of the times, and a lack of any societal or species context that recognizes the BREATHTAKING ACHIEVEMENTS during said times of "Oh so bad bad we should be ashamed it's an epidemic!" There's an undercurrent here that is almost criminal. The sin is not excess, certainly a…

Ok, call me crazy, but I've got this weird pet theory that says that while some drugs can offer benefits, they also carry a risk of harm. I call these “side effects”. Another theory of mine is that drugs that offer benefits such as improvements in mood and energy, these drugs can lead to people wanting more of them, especially if they're physiologically addicting. People might even hoard their drugs so they can use them in larger quantities or they may buy them illegally so they can use them recreationally rather than as medications to correct a professionally diagnosed problem. I call this “drug seeking behavior” and “substance abuse”. Absolutely nothing wrong with the drugs themselves though. Just like opiates. Absolutely nothing wrong with those drugs and the suggestion that there is an opiate epidemic is just trying to tell us all that we should be ashamed of ourselves because of an alleged epidemic.

“COMPLETE LACK of context of the times”

You misplaced “complete” in your sentence. The article may lack complete context, but there isn't a complete lack of context.

“BREATHTAKING ACHIEVEMENTS during said times”

This reminds me of my peers who brag about how great the music was back when we were kids, as though they can take credit for how good the music was that other people played just because we happened to be alive at the time so we could drop doses of things like amphetamines while listening to it. I would concede that some people who were high on amphetamines could do a lot of things – even great things – that isn't quite a proof of them being a net social good.

“There's an undercurrent here that's almost criminal.”

I'd love to read some actual quotes from the article that support your assertion.

“Stimulants do NOT, in themselves, make you crazy.”

Such as a quote that claims this.

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#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but that's just one person. In what situation would you trust a study based on one person? I know, lots of people go crazy on meth. There is also god knows what else in street meth. There are so many people taking amphetamines that are successful and there are people taking prescription methamphetamine as well. Personally I wouldn't want to be on stimulants, long term, on a daily basis. But just because you kn…

>In what situation would you trust a study based on one person? Anytime someone else makes a blanket statement with no study (example: amphetamine doesn't make you crazy)...all you need is n=1 to disprove that.

But that goes both ways...

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#40
post #23

Do you want to reduce drug addiction? Make the world a better place. Everyone suffers so much. Loneliness, depression and anxiety and becoming more prevalent. These are increased risk factors for addiction.

Are you familiar with the rat park experiment? You’re making claims directly supported by its findings.

One of the most interesting was that happy rats who had pleasant quarters and social interaction would choose not to take drugs (morphine, iirc) even if they had used them previously. Pretty interesting stuff.

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