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Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Oh my, I still see people in the comments who naively think this is a copyright issue. Seriously? 15 years after the alleged event? With physical violence against software developers?

It's only one among thousands of cases when putinists rob successful companies. The world must put more pressure on putinism, because eventually all the stolen resources turn into imprisonments of people in the country and deaths of people in the countries attacked by that putinist machine.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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9.5 rules of doing business in Russia 1. Keep your servers abroad. 2. Register your domains abroad. 3. Register your company abroad. 4. Keep your money abroad and don't put all eggs in one basket. 5. Seriously, don't put all your eggs in one basket! 6. Keep your database abroad. 7. Document everything regarding your office setup. 8. Split the risks and assets. 9. You can give youself up voluntarily. Find a large patr…

That could happen in any country. That's a corporate dispute. Rambler sold their NGINX "copyright rights" to a shady law firm (Lynwood Investments CY Ltd).

Anything can happen anywhere, but it's the height of naivety to call the general international risk of this of this (government takeover of your shit) happening anywhere vs Russia comparable. It's way more likely to happen in russia and anyone who's worked there can tell you that.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

#93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are currently being interrogated, not detained.

If you can't walk away from an interrogation, you've been detained.

Maximum continuous time for an interrogation in Russia - 4 hours, after which there should be a pause of at least an hour. Maximum total time is 8 hours within a single day.

Maximum time for a detention is 48 hours until the court's decision. The difference is how much time one would have to actively prepare his defence themselves, not via advocates.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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I see it this way (being a Russian): it's not a copyright claim issue, but rather a hostage situation with bandits involved (a.k.a Russian authorities), and what they want is ransom so that top #1-2 nginx contributors don't go to jail for some 10 years.

It's pretty obvious to us, коллега, but that sounds absolutely crazy and conspiracy-like for outsiders of ex-USSR.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

#95

Slightly easier to read: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1205086129504104460.html TLDR: Igor Sysoev started Nginx while employed by Rambler, who did not then claim copyright, but now they have. The police raid is a result of that claim.

Russia has absurd IP hijacking rules that are being exploited.

I'm sure you can't name a single rule or law which is exploited in this case.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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I see it this way (being a Russian): it's not a copyright claim issue, but rather a hostage situation with bandits involved (a.k.a Russian authorities), and what they want is ransom so that top #1-2 nginx contributors don't go to jail for some 10 years.

I've some kind of reflex to say "come on, it can't be that bad over there", but then I read a thread like this and it's like a slap in my naivete's face. To put the "over there" remark in context, I grew up in a neighbourhing country.

Yep mate it totally can, stuff like that goes here on daily basis.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not a corporate displute. It's probable cause in criminal law. Ngnix founders are already detained btw.

They are currently being interrogated, not detained.

There was police raid in the office. After that founders were captured and brought to interrogation. If it's not "detained" then I don't know what any other meaning this word may have.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Igor Sysoev developed Nginx while working in Rambler (a Russian search engine) back in 2002-2004. Now, 15 years later, Rambler filed a copyright claim against Nginx and Igor, and demands (allegedly) 51M RUB from them.

And that's yet another reason why copyrights can not last forever.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

#99
Hello from Russia.

I've read documents provided by nginx employee Igor Ippolitov, and I'm convinced Rambler is commiting a offence under article 306 of criminal codex.

In brief, in Russia an employee retains all rights on his/her/it's intellectual property if he/she/it was not instructed to do this job. Former Rambler CEO confirmed that Sysoev has no instructions to create a web server.

At the same time, Rambler claims that: "unknown person at an unspecified time acting within the scope of his duties and on behalf of management".

unknown person cannot have a scope of his duties. management cannot give orders to an unknown person.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the same people under a different acronym, this is not a meaningful difference for most people.

Especially for the Front Side Bus crowd

For unaware, FSB stands for (Russian) Federal Security Service which is direct successor of KGB : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Security_Service
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