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Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Post by vorot93 »

9.5 rules of doing business in Russia

1. Keep your servers abroad.

2. Register your domains abroad.

3. Register your company abroad.

4. Keep your money abroad and don't put all eggs in one basket.

5. Seriously, don't put all your eggs in one basket!

6. Keep your database abroad.

7. Document everything regarding your office setup.

8. Split the risks and assets.

9. You can give youself up voluntarily. Find a large patron or manage law enforcement protection yourself.

10. Leave the country.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Post by light_eye »

This is all because of the purchase by Sberbank (This is the largest Russian bank reporting to the government) of Rambler. In Russia, the chance of a fair trial in this case is very small. Sberbank simply “collects assets” and wages an unfair fight for money. It is a pity that the man in Russia and now he will be so pressured.

Given that almost all media in Russia are subordinate to the state, a very small number of people find out about this situation and this is very sad.

First, lawmakers are crashing Yandex stocks, now this. It is sad that I live in Russia ...

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Post by f311a »

vorot93 wrote: post #11

9.5 rules of doing business in Russia 1. Keep your servers abroad. 2. Register your domains abroad. 3. Register your company abroad. 4. Keep your money abroad and don't put all eggs in one basket. 5. Seriously, don't put all your eggs in one basket! 6. Keep your database abroad. 7. Document everything regarding your office setup. 8. Split the risks and assets. 9. You can give youself up voluntarily. Find a large patr…

That could happen in any country. That's a corporate dispute.

Rambler sold their NGINX "copyright rights" to a shady law firm (Lynwood Investments CY Ltd).

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

eps wrote: post #10
tyingq wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somewhat surprised this hasn't settled out of court then.

I'd be surprised if it had been. I'd wager Rambler is after the ngnix itself rather than some cash.

But even if they "owned" nginx - what does it get them? The community would immediately fork it and change the branding.

The same happened to MySQL when Sun was bought by Oracle when MariaDB was forked - though I concede MariaDB isn't as popular as I hoped.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Post by adamsea »

f311a wrote: post #13
vorot93 wrote: post #11

9.5 rules of doing business in Russia 1. Keep your servers abroad. 2. Register your domains abroad. 3. Register your company abroad. 4. Keep your money abroad and don't put all eggs in one basket. 5. Seriously, don't put all your eggs in one basket! 6. Keep your database abroad. 7. Document everything regarding your office setup. 8. Split the risks and assets. 9. You can give youself up voluntarily. Find a large patr…

That could happen in any country. That's a corporate dispute. Rambler sold their NGINX "copyright rights" to a shady law firm (Lynwood Investments CY Ltd).

Perhaps not as often or quite so capriciously

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Post by defaultvoice »

eps wrote: post #10
tyingq wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somewhat surprised this hasn't settled out of court then.

I'd be surprised if it had been. I'd wager Rambler is after the ngnix itself rather than some cash.

Rambler was bought by the Sberbank (the largest state-owned bank in Russia) in August this year

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Post by vorot93 »

ameshkov wrote: post #2

Igor Sysoev developed Nginx while working in Rambler (a Russian search engine) back in 2002-2004. Now, 15 years later, Rambler filed a copyright claim against Nginx and Igor, and demands (allegedly) 51M RUB from them.

A bit of context.

Rambler used to be a somewhat successful and independent Internet company, but in dire straits recently because it's lost the market to its primary competitor - Yandex. So very much like Yahoo vs Google.

Now it's been bought out by Sberbank - the largest state bank run by a good friend of Putin. Sberbank is looking at becoming at becoming an IT monster, being a provider of just about everything - from food delivery to banking, with huge amount of Big Data at its heart. Delusions of grandeur at taxpayers' expense.

This lawsuit is the first big move of the new Sberbank's management team in Rambler.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Post by Craighead »

f311a wrote: post #13
vorot93 wrote: post #11

9.5 rules of doing business in Russia 1. Keep your servers abroad. 2. Register your domains abroad. 3. Register your company abroad. 4. Keep your money abroad and don't put all eggs in one basket. 5. Seriously, don't put all your eggs in one basket! 6. Keep your database abroad. 7. Document everything regarding your office setup. 8. Split the risks and assets. 9. You can give youself up voluntarily. Find a large patr…

That could happen in any country. That's a corporate dispute. Rambler sold their NGINX "copyright rights" to a shady law firm (Lynwood Investments CY Ltd).

Any country that has SORM laws passed.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Post by jsty »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #14
eps wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be surprised if it had been. I'd wager Rambler is after the ngnix itself rather than some cash.

But even if they "owned" nginx - what does it get them? The community would immediately fork it and change the branding. The same happened to MySQL when Sun was bought by Oracle when MariaDB was forked - though I concede MariaDB isn't as popular as I hoped.

If they're angling for a ruling that they've always had the copyright to the code (or at least core / original parts), then presumably any licenses (FOSS or otherwise) granted by anyone who isn't Rambler would be null and void.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Post by lolc »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #14
eps wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be surprised if it had been. I'd wager Rambler is after the ngnix itself rather than some cash.

But even if they "owned" nginx - what does it get them? The community would immediately fork it and change the branding. The same happened to MySQL when Sun was bought by Oracle when MariaDB was forked - though I concede MariaDB isn't as popular as I hoped.

If they indeed have copyright then you cannot legally fork it without them giving you licence to it. Just because you have the code doesn't mean you have the licence. All the other licences would be void.
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