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Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Slightly easier to read: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1205086129504104460.html TLDR: Igor Sysoev started Nginx while employed by Rambler, who did not then claim copyright, but now they have. The police raid is a result of that claim.

Russia has absurd IP hijacking rules that are being exploited.

On contrary with US IP non-hijacking rules we see in the Apple vs Nuvia case.

/sarcasm

Both cases are quite similar to my eye.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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9.5 rules of doing business in Russia 1. Keep your servers abroad. 2. Register your domains abroad. 3. Register your company abroad. 4. Keep your money abroad and don't put all eggs in one basket. 5. Seriously, don't put all your eggs in one basket! 6. Keep your database abroad. 7. Document everything regarding your office setup. 8. Split the risks and assets. 9. You can give youself up voluntarily. Find a large patr…

11. Have a battalion of armed bodyguards?

A little bit on that Alexander Mamut guy: http://rumafia.net/en/dosje/12 . One of the "7 banker" group.

He is the one who racketeered Euroset into selling itself at 990% discount.

Evroset was the largest retail network in Russia, built from scratch buy a man with a lot of talent, but no mafia connections. Alexander Chichvarkin was pretty much the most renowned businessman of his generation in Russia.

Chichvarkin fled to UK, and left a director to be his proxy.

They used the same tactic — director detained, and offered a trade at gunpoint. The director however managed to escape the capture too. In this case, after his bodyguards made a scuffle with police in his office.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Russia has absurd IP hijacking rules that are being exploited.

On the West there wouldn't be even a chance for this business: nginx would belong to employer by default.

It's not a 'West' thing, it's a US/wannabe-US company thing. Also likely illegal in most EU countries, anyway.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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F5 buys Nginx, then months later there are suddenly copyright claims and raids relating to the founder having left a former company in 2012...

Playing devil's advocate, I could see how something like that could legitimately take place in a similar situation as the previous employer may feel abused / betrayed, rightfully or not, once he sees a success that he may believes not being possible if it were not for giving some slack to his employees.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Not sure if your comment is trolling or just due to ignorance, but https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Magnitsky

Not trolling... if they outlaw encryption, as most governments want to do, it will require creative org structures.

Australian checking in - and I'm not trolling either: I can just as easily read that 10-point list off for Australia.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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To save anyone else having to look it up. 51M RUB is currently around US $810k.

Somewhat surprised this hasn't settled out of court then.

Don't you understand the trick? If they acknowledge that they "stole" it, Mamut will then go to US and use it as a basis for his claims on the F5, which is like a million times bigger than this claim.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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But even if they "owned" nginx - what does it get them? The community would immediately fork it and change the branding. The same happened to MySQL when Sun was bought by Oracle when MariaDB was forked - though I concede MariaDB isn't as popular as I hoped.

If they indeed have copyright then you cannot legally fork it without them giving you licence to it. Just because you have the code doesn't mean you have the licence. All the other licences would be void.

If you contributed to nginx, do these new owners own your contributions if you submitted them under what turned out to be false pretenses ? Shouldn't all the community contributions be void because of that? That would significantly reduce nginx's worth.

If not, what's to stop other companies doing this in a predatory way? Start an "open source" project, gather years of valuable contributions from a enthusiastic community, then pull the rug?

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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That could happen in any country. That's a corporate dispute. Rambler sold their NGINX "copyright rights" to a shady law firm (Lynwood Investments CY Ltd).

That's not a corporate displute. It's probable cause in criminal law. Ngnix founders are already detained btw.

They are currently being interrogated, not detained.

Re: Police conducted search in the Nginx office due to a copyright claim

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Somewhat surprised this hasn't settled out of court then.

Don't you understand the trick? If they acknowledge that they "stole" it, Mamut will then go to US and use it as a basis for his claims on the F5, which is like a million times bigger than this claim.

I imagine it's more complicated than that. Settlements can have terms (no admission of fault, etc), and claiming precedent across countries probably isn't straightforward.
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