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Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

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Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

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I wasn't sure until this comment, but now I'm 100% convinced you're American.

You could have just asked, but I don't think it's particularly important information.

I don't actually care, I just wanted to point it out to you, so that you understand how strongly it's colouring your views. We all have our biases, and we should all be aware of them.

Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

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>It's more... I'm curious where you're from that you think doesn't have a similar history, but it still boils down to "if you don't have a racism problem it's not actually racist." I don't get that logic, you can argue it's not harmful but it's still racism. >Why not ask the Irish themselves? I find it strange that all the Irish you are asking are speaking English, but the Irish Times hits why this is offensive. >Wel…

> I'm curious where you're from that you think doesn't have a similar history, but it still boils down to "if you don't have a racism problem it's not actually racist." I don't get that logic Note that I never said "If a place doesn't have a racism problem then them doing racist acts is OK / it's not racist". My argument is "Places with heavy racist history tend to look at all kind of non-racist acts as racist, eithe…

>My argument is "Places with heavy racist history tend to look at all kind of non-racist acts as racist, either from guilt or to overcompensate, and then try to force their hyper-sensitivity on others".

Even if this is true, that was a racist statement for the reasons I originally outlined. That doesn't change if Irish say it, and it is of the "x are inferior sense" you mention. That's what has me confused,

>Instead of... act on...

So I should better prioritise the racism I address in my country, ignoring smaller examples until I can fix major ones? I tend to just address the ones I encounter, though I think understanding that past treatment can still cause current problems we need to address is an important message.

Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

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post #208

Crows are known to give "presents" to humans they like, such as dropping small pieces of metal they picked up, or worms. Also, crows have very rich tribal behaviours going on. There's a town close to mine called Husum (in North Germany) where there's a multi-year battle going on between crows in the park. You immediately notice it by the noise, and in fact by dead crows lying on the ground.

Cats tend to bring gifts too. My grandmother used to receive that of dead moles, freshly caught mice and what have you, invariably placed dead center on her pillow. She wasn't a fan of that cat before, and she didn't like it much better after. No idea why.

One theory I heard on cats leaving dead things for you is that they think of you as a non-effective cat that needs help killin things, similar to a mom cat teaching kittens to hunt.

Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

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It seems like you're suggesting that there aren't massive biological differences between a wild human and a crow. This is false. Humans have many biological faculties that crows simply do not have. For example, the wild, untrained human still has the biological faculty of language. That is, there is a reason why no animal other than a human has been shown to be able to learn a language. The reason is that they do not…

That's a little misleading. An individual child will not be able to fluently acquire language if not exposed during the so-called "critical period"; see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_child for plenty of examples. _Groups_ of humans with no common means of communication will form pidgins ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin ) as an (essentially grammarless) means of communication; children then raised in an en…

I we where that stupid we wouldn't be able to learn new languages as an adult.

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I heard an interesting theory about intelligence while watching a documentary about jumping spiders. Good eyesight tends to evolve first. In the case of jumping spiders, it was vital for safe landing. As a consequence, jumping spiders have the best eyesight among spiders. Anyway, initially brain gets a lot of extra information but is unable to take advantage of all of it. It's just for safe landing. Then those animal…

In latest BBC seven worlds one planet, there is nice display of their mating dance... fascinating little buggers (like all other animals on the show, small and big)

Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could have just asked, but I don't think it's particularly important information.

I don't actually care, I just wanted to point it out to you, so that you understand how strongly it's colouring your views. We all have our biases, and we should all be aware of them.

How strongly is it coloring my views of what somebody else presumably from the same country said?

Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

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As a kid I loved watching hooded crows breaking snails' shells by picking up a snail, flying a 10 or so feet up into the air and then throwing the snail against a narrow stone path in the park. I've never seen even one crow making a mistake to throw a snail on the soft grass on either side of the path, they would aways carefully aim for the snail to hit the hard surface - which means it wasn't just an act of imitation, each of them perfectly understood the idea behind what they were doing.

Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

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post #20

We have crows and jackrabbits in our neighborhood. You drive down the road toward a bunch (I think they prefer the term "murder") of crows having a meeting in the middle of the road. They'll eventually start nonchalantly strolling to the side at a calm, measured pace perfectly timed to just barely get out of the way as you pass and stroll back again, no feathers ruffled. Jackrabbits will be sitting safely in the gras…

On the other hand, if you are out driving and there's a flock of Canadian Geese walking across the road, try only slowing down to 5 to 10 mph. They are used to people stopping until they finish crossing so they freak out when you don't. Note: I generally do not advocate purposely messing with animals, but geese are evil! Also don't do this if there are young that might not be able to get out of the way in time.

Canada Geese not Canadian :)
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