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Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

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Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

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When I was ~10 years old, I found a fake decorative crow (Halloween stuff) and I figured out that I could jump up and down with the fake crow and it would only be a matter of time before a few real crows would start circling... 15 minutes later there would be 100 circling, then thousands. It became a party trick that I'd show friends every now and then.

Why do you think they were interested?

I always assumed it was because they thought I was attacking one of their flock, like they were trying to intimidate me. They never came close or swooped down or anything. Just circled hundreds of feet above.

Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

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Have you lived around crows? They have no problem conveying their emotions...

Or that’s just you personifying them via disneyfication.

Or maybe many creatures feel relatable emotions, because of its value to survival.

Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

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Crows are amazingly intelligent animals. My GF and I went to the beach about a month ago and took our dog. The crows weren't frightened at ALL of our dog. They realized they could basically just 'float' up in the air when he came by using the breeze. The fact that they were amazingly calm about it was really telling. Second. We hid our stuff under a blanket. They realize it's still there as they have item persistence…

Yeap. Food and valuables have to be toddler-proofed around crows. They can also steal your wallet or your keys if you leave them unsecured. And, damn, they're as good as human thieves at reading situations for opportunism.

I saw a crow steal a credit card off an outdoor table in Seattle once. They really are remarkable animals. Also I swear they have regional accents to their calls.

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This article focuses mostly on problem solving, planning, and tool use as the primary hallmarks of intelligence. But what problem does writing a poem solve? Do you have to be intelligent to write a great poem? What about the intelligence need to compose a great whale song[1]? Or paint a great painting? These are things not measured on intelligence tests and that don't fit well in to scientific experiments because the…

Early humans didn't have poetry. Were they not intelligent?

Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

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Or that’s just you personifying them via disneyfication.

Or maybe many creatures feel relatable emotions, because of its value to survival.

Yes that is true. But birds feel less than cats and dogs. They have less neurons. This is a stupid article but god knows people on this site love to read articles and then parrot them as fact immediately after

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Previously I heard about crows in Japan leaving nuts on the way of the cars to crash them when traffic lights are red and collecting them the next cycle. This summer I witnessed the exact same thing when I was driving through a particularly jammy traffic light here in Europe. Are these crows inventing the method over and over again independently, like scientists finding the same thing at the same time in different pa…

Exact thing happened to me one or two days ago. I was driving home and on a small street near my apartment a crow flew out of the bushes and dropped something right in front of the car and then it landed on the other side of the street. When I looked back in the mirror, the crow had gone back to collect what looked like a walnut.

On a semi-related note, magpies are also doing really well in that race. End of last year I started leaving oatmeal in a bottle cap on my terrace and every morning a magpie came to eat it every single day over the course of 2 months. And every evening when I came back home I had a handful of sticks, stones and berries left somewhere. No idea what I was supposed to do with them but thanks magpie I guess...

Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

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>will hold a grudge... you's swear they were part Irish There's no need for this.

I love whenever crows become a topic online because people have all these amazing crow stories that they never have another reason to share. How's about we allow a little local flavor while people tell their stories?

>How's about we allow a little local flavor while people tell their stories?

>PS: Davis CA has zillions of crows

Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

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Previously I heard about crows in Japan leaving nuts on the way of the cars to crash them when traffic lights are red and collecting them the next cycle. This summer I witnessed the exact same thing when I was driving through a particularly jammy traffic light here in Europe. Are these crows inventing the method over and over again independently, like scientists finding the same thing at the same time in different pa…

I read an article about crows in Australia killing a very poisonous frog. They are able to teach each other was the conclusion of that article. I don't have time atm to find the article.

Re: Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates

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Looking at the complexity and size of whale and dolphin brains, i suspect they are at least the equal of crows.

Agreed. Birds have an inheren limit on head weight, which limits their brain size. They do manage to use what they have quite well (parrots are also remarkable in that regard), but the limit is there. Ultimately intelligence is a tough nut to crack for such a stupid and limited thing as evolution: some have a big brain but no hands, some have hands but cannot have a big brain because space is used for something else…

> It's a miracle that a species like ours could combine all the necessary, quite fragile, ingredients to develop intelligence.

The Anthropic Principle says this combination must have happened with probability 1, otherwise there would be noone to observe it not happening.

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